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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: RoDe on Friday 22 February 13 20:14 GMT (UK)
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Hi all
Have just printed out the 1911 census record for my grandparents. The record lists a child who was born alive, shown in the census as now dead but no name or date of death. Any suggestions on whether further details can be traced from the scarce information given?
Regards
rode
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If it's a fairly uncommon name you could try putting only their surname into FreeBMD during the timescale they were married. By choosing 'All Types' for the search, it should give you results for Births and Deaths which are quite close together, so you can compare.
Hope that makes sense ? If you would like to give the details we can have a look, providing you don't mind.
Kind regards,
Pels.
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I take it you mean as recorded in the columns;Children born alive,Children still living.Though there are exceptions,the names of children who have died would not show in the Census entry.As Pels said its a matter of matching birth and death entries on Free BMD.
The reason I said exceptions is that my father's sister is named in the 1911 Census even though she lived only for a few months in 1909.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Rode - as the previous posters have said +
Other sources - if the child was baptised and those records are on FamilySearch it is possible to do a search on surname + parent's first names for a given period.
The local BMD sites are not complete but there are entries that include mother's maiden name before in was on the GRO index - as you've posted this on Staffordshire there are two main sites that cover what was Staffs at that time:
http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/
http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk/
You can search both together (though restricted to 25 year blocks) via the multi-region search on UKBMD:
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/index.php?form_action=local
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I found mine on parish burial records first looking for her fathers death and so it was a chance finding and then found her on the baptism records. Lived for about 18 months. I found one for my sister in law who knew she had a brother, we are talking the 1970's. Fortunately knew the name and with what order of the births of the rest of the children. At the time i did n't know whether it was a still birth or not. One person said the child was born dead and another that it took a few breaths. The person whose child it was said it was born dead. When i investigated i found a birth and death entry in the same quarter.It was the right one fortunately. Got them the following dayafter i ordered from her local reg office.They tell you to go back at 10 amm or after the following day.
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It's much easier after 1912 Weste as all births have the mothers maiden name in the indexes. ;D
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It was a common name and like you say it is easier, I had to go back and check and fortunately the maiden name was n't so common. But it is proably going to be easier looking through parish records for this one and hope the burial records have a recognised address.
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Hi all
Thanks for your help. Unfortunately I have a very common family name, Harris, which probably makes searching more difficult. I'm somewhat of a novice in family history research. I'm a bit perplexed as to why a dead child is recorded on the census form
Here is the link to the specific document. Any help or guidance in researching this further would be appreciated.
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2352/rg14_17125_0627_03/57108052?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fgst%3d-6&ssrc=&backlabel
Regards
rode
PS i haven't used RootsChat for some time and still working out how to reply, add images etc so please bear with me if I get it wrong.
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Hello again !
You've done fine ! :) :)
All children who died are recorded on the 1911 census in this way. The question was added to check the infant mortality rate at that time. The child they lost could have died straight after birth.
I've just had a look, but as you said with a surname like Harris in Staffordshire it is like looking for a needle in a haystack ? Did they marry in the Rochdale registration district by any chance ?
Kind regards,
Pels.
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If you check this BBC link, you can make comparisons between then and now :
'A century ago, a new expanded form was evidence of a government's thirst for knowledge in their efforts to help a population stricken by poverty, bad nutrition and high infant mortality.'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12324970
Pels.
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Hi Pels
Thanks for the advice. It's the first 1911 census record I have looked for so I didn't know that child deaths were recorded. I'm pretty sure that they would have married in Bilston as several generations of the Harris clan were born/died there.
I thought of finding the marriage details and then searching for a Harris death between that date and 1911 as the death would almost certainly have taken place between those two dates. What do you think of this for starters.
I'm keen to find out more if I can as I have never heard anything discussed in the family about a third sibling in addition to an Auntie and Uncle. I suppose this is one of the interesting things about family research is finding facts that are not immediately apparent.
Regards
rode
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The question in 1911 asked how long a couple had been married and how many live children born and still alive to that marriage.
You will find that people often got a bit confused,some put down all children which belonged to a previous marriages,some entered miscarriages or stillbirths.Some wrote the names of those children who had died and you will find in some cases that the enumerator had to cross them out.
With an unusual surname you can search FreeBMD for births and deaths between censuses ,but not with a name like Harris,there will be hundreds.
Your best bet will be parish records,if they baptised their babies,and burial records(which HAD to be completed)
You can often work out where there is space for a child to be born,by the ages of the others.
First babies were often born within the first year, or even sooner sometimes,of marriage.
Carol
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Hi
If they had been married 7 years, and the 1st living child is 5, you have a time span of 2/3 years that should reduce your search,also usually the 1st child was born within 12 months of being married, unless she was with child when they married
Margp