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Hello folks.
I wonder if anyone can help with information on the arrival and departure of an Elizabeth Jane Duckworth in New Zealand.
She apparently departed London on November 2nd 1902 (the ship was probably s.s. 'Britannia') - destination was Wellington. She was accompanied by her 2 children - Robert aged 3 and Eveline aged 9 months, but no husband.
She was back in England (and back with her husband) on the 1911 census. I wonder if there are any records of her departure from New Zealand. There seems to be some 'folk memory' of the child Robert going to school in New Zealand, so they must have been there a 5 or 6 years at least.
Any helpwould be appreciated. Thank you.
Malcolm
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Hi Malcolm
You haven't given us Elizabeth's age (or year of birth) ? ;)
[It's just that some of the information on these passenger lists, can be rather sparse - e.g. just listed as "Mrs Duckworth" - children shown as " aged between 1 & 12 years" ... so every little bit of extra info, can often be of help. ] ;D
Never mind ... I looked up the 1902 voyage to Wellington per "Britannia" which gave >
Mrs. E. DUCKWORTH - 27 years - bc 1875 and children - Robert (3) and Eveline (1)
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As for a return to the UK - prior to 1911, nothing immediately jumps out on the lists (- I searched for Elizabeth / Mrs E. DUCKWORTH etc ... and under the names and y.o.b.'s of her children. ) ???
> Any idea why Elizabeth and children might have come to NZ ?
> What of Elizabeth's husband ? ( Can we have his name, please ? )
> Was his occupation such that he may have travelled overseas for work? Perhaps going ahead of his wife and children ?
~ Lu
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Hi again Malcolm
I wonder if this is Elizabeth and her children ... with husband/father. ???
Per "Seydlitz" (from Australia) - 1907
Listed as embarking at Sydney >
Mr R. DUCKWORTH - occupation: Engineer
Mrs DUCKWORTH
Miss DUCKWORTH and Master DUCKWORTH (children aged between 1 and 12 years )
[Note: No ages given for adults ]
The "Seydlitz" arrived at Southampton on 23 October 1907.
~ Lu
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Hi Lu.
Thanks for your reply.
As you have gathered, Elizabeth was 27 when she left the UK. She apparently left her husband (Robert) in the UK and took her infant children with her (Eveline aged just 9 months). Robert was a weaver in the Lancashire cotton mills. It may be that she ran away, or just told him she was leaving. There is a faint suspicion that she travelled with a 35 year old Thomas Craven!
It is a bit of a mystery because she obviously returned back to UK and was back with husband Robert in 1911 - at a different address to 1901 (before she left). There were no more children added to the marriage! I don't hope to find where she was in NZ, but I wondered if there was a record anywhere of her embarkation back to the UK.
Your second submission (R Duckworth from Sydney) looked interesting, but Robert was not an engineer. Thanks for helping.
Malcolm
We have no information as to where she lived in NZ, or how she earned a living. She had worked in the mills as a cotton winder at the age of 16 (Her father was a mill manager).
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Hi Malcolm
Mmm ... an interesting tale.
Re: husband Robert ... he was still listed as a "weaver" in 1911, was he ?
Yes, the 1907 DUCKWORTH family from Sydney to UK are probably not yours, though will say that the term "engineer" was often used by those who didn't neccessarily have an actual "engineering" qualification. (A bit like ag.labs. / farmers etc. who fancied themselves as "veterinary surgeons"). ;D
I'll see if I can find anything else for you.
~ Lu
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Hi again, Lu.
I think I have solved the dilemma and it is not at all what I initially thought! I now believe that the 1907 Duckworth family from Sydney to the UK were the right ones. Please don't spend any more time on it - unless it is posible to find a John & Rebecca Eaton in NZ after their arrival in Wellington in mid-1901, both aged about 30 at the time, with a 1 year old called William. I don't know if they lived in Wellington or elsewhere.
It is now 2 in the morning in the UK so it is long past my bedtime. If you want the details of what I now belive to be the story, let me know and I will give you a summary. [I am doing this research for a friend's elderly mother who has always wondered about the NZ story which seemed to be a 'big secret'].
Malcolm
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There is a faint suspicion that she travelled with a 35 year old Thomas Craven!
Well there is a "Thos. (Thomas) CRAVEN - Labourer - aged 32" (not 35) - on the "Britannia" 1902 list. His passenger contract number (01744) is next in sequence to that of the DUCKWORK family group (01743) ... if that has any meaning ? [Other passengers on same page have numbers which are quite different. ]
> Was there a Thomas CRAVEN living nearby to Elizabeth DUCKWORK in 1901 ?
~ Lu
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Hi Malcolm
... our posts just crossed. ;D
If you want the details of what I now belive to be the story, let me know and I will give you a summary.
Glad you've made some progress with DUCKWORTH.
Yeah, sure would like to know the story :D (but tomorrow's okay ... grab your beauty sleep first.) ;D
I'll take a look for your EATON family too.
~ Lu
[PS - just curious ?? - with a wonderful name like "Tongariro" -- are you an ex-pat KIWI ?? ]
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Hi Tongariro,
I think we'd all like to know what happened! ;D Sounds like you have a fascinating story to tell.
Spades
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Too right, Spades. :)
We're such an inquisitive lot (... or perhaps that should just be, "curious" lot ? ). ;D
It's always nice to have the "ending" of a "story".
And knowing whether our "digging" has been fruitful, I think improves our investigative skills.
~ Lu
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... unless it is posible to find a John & Rebecca Eaton in NZ after their arrival in Wellington in mid-1901, both aged about 30 at the time, with a 1 year old called William. I don't know if they lived in Wellington or elsewhere.
Hi Malcolm
EATON
> Was John EATON a shoemaker / bootmaker ?
If so, then he was resident in Canterbury in 1911 (can't see him prior to that.)
1911 - Canterbury - Lyttelton roll
EATON - John - shoemaker
EATON - Rebecca - married ... both at Redcliffs, Sumner
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... a couple of "kiwis" to add to the family. ;)
NZ Births (To "today's date", 1913)
EATON
1902 - Edith
1904 - Robert
Parents: John and Rebecca EATON
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EATON
In 1919, they're on two electoral rolls :
1919 - Christchurch South General roll
EATON - John - bootmaker / Rebecca, married ... at 29 Antigua Street
1919 - Timaru Supplementary* roll
(* which suggests they'd recently moved to the locality )
EATON - John - bootmaker - Waimataitai
EATON - Rebecca - married - "Park View", Marchwiel Street.
[ ?? Separate addresses ?? I don't know whether "Park View" was perhaps an institution ? ]
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EATON
No sign of the parents on e/rolls after 1919.
Not on the New Zealand Death Index -- apart from the babe Robert EATON b. 1904 - and died aged 7 days.
~ Lu
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Tongariro
Duckworth is an unusual name and it caught my eye because...
I do indexing for the Ryerson Index and just last night I did one for a Mavis DUCKWORTH, widow of Errol Noake, dod 13 April 2003 (in Brisbane Courier Mail)
Let me know if you think this might have any connection with your Duckworths and I'll PM you the whole entry.
Dawn M
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Hi Malcolm
From AUSTRALIA Death Index :
EATON - William
Died : 1985 - Mentone, Victoria, AUS
Aged : 86 years [bc 1899 ]
Father : John EATON
Mother : Rebecca LOFTS
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Australia - Death Index
EATON - Rebecca
Died : 1955 - Surrey Hills, Victoria
Aged : 84 years [bc 1871 ]
Father : William LOFTS
Mother : Rebina NEIL
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From TROVE (Australian newspapers website)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home
Death Notice for Rebecca EATON
"The Argus" - 21 February 1955 - page 13
EATON - on February 18th, Rebecca, loved w/o the late John, loving mother of Edith and William, m-i-law of Eric and grandmother of John and Lillian. Late of 4 Milan Street, Mentone.
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... ooops ... "The Argus" (Melbourne, Vic.) - same day, same page - in an adjacent column -- funeral notice for Rebecca EATON.
... burial at New Cheltenham Cemetery, Vic.
[Not sure if burials for above cemetery are available online ? Might be an easier way to find husband John ... though I will look again for him on the Death Index. ]
~ Lu
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Two brief replies:
To Billyblue : Thank you for your interest, Dawn. However, I am 95% sure that the Mavis Duckworth that you mention is not linked to the family I am dealing with. I agree that Duckworth is an 'unusual' name, but it is not uncommon in Lancashire (where I believe it originates from) - a bit like Sidebottom and Longbottom.
To Spades : You said -
"I think we'd all like to know what happened! Sounds like you have a fascinating story to tell."
I am afraid that the story turns out to be quite mundane and not at all fascinating, as you will see when I get around to sending the info to Lucy. Sorry :-[
Malcolm
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Hello Lu,
First - many thanks for your time and effort in digging out the surprising amount of information on John Eaton and his family, then typing and sending it to me. It served the purpose of identifying the Duckworth information and adds extra Eaton info to the family history of my friend.
I discovered a Robt Duckworth (27 & a weaver) who sailed from London onboard the "Omba" on Jan 26 1901, bound for Sydney. I then noticed that the passenger who was listed just above him on the manifest was a Mr J Heaton (29 & a shoemaker). That 'rang a bell'! I looked at the 20-odd page family history story I had done for my friend a couple of years ago and found John Eaton, correct age, a shomaker. They had spelled his name wrongly on the manifest.
Robert Duckworth and John Eaton were brothers-in-law. Robert was married to Elizabeth Eaton - John's sister.
I then discovered that a Mrs R Eaton (30) along with a 1 year old William had sailed on Sept 25 1901 onboard the 'Delphic' - destination Wellington. The 1901 UK census showed John Eaton's wife to be Rebecca (30) and a son William (1). [It was handy for me that the UK census was late March and showed the families of both Robert Duckworth & John Eaton - the men left in late April]
At that point I asked if you could find John & Rebecca Eaton in NZ - that would help to confirm that Mr J (H)eaton & Mrs R Eaton were in fact John & Rebecca. You did so ;)
That discovery sadly destroys the whole intruiging story that this thread started on :-\. Elizabeth did not run off to NZ with the children and leave Robert at home. In fact Robert was in NZ before her. The men presumably went ahead to have a look, find, work and homes before sending for their wives.
Why did Elizabeth Duckworth not travel with her sister-in-law Rebecca in 1901? The answer lies in the parting gift that Robert gave her! By Sept 1901 she was 5 months pregnant. The child was born in early 1902 and Elizabeth then went to NZ later in 1902 onboard 'Britannia' - as previously discussed. The child (Eveline) would have been safer & more manageabe at 9 months than as a new born.
I now believe that the 1907 'Seydlitz' voyage from Sydney to Southampton (previously mentioned) was the Duckworth family on their way back to the UK (Mr R Duckworth, Mrs, Master & Miss). I agree with the 'Engineer' bit, Lu, he woudn't have been working as a weaver in NZ so he may have been employed as some kind of 'engineer' (but not in the strictest sense of word).
I hope you are not too disappointed, Spades! My friend's mum knew her grandma Elizabeth and would have been about 15 or 16 when her gran died. She remembers that the NZ episode was a subject to be avoided and there always seemed to be something of a mystery about it. I will add a couple of thoughts in another post tomorrow.
Malcolm
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Hello again Lu.
Apart from my thanks, I have been asked to convey the gratitude of my friend and her 75 year old mum for the assistance you gave. The story you provided of the Eaton family, and the the return to the UK of the Duckworth family in 1907 that you found, were the glue that stuck the story together.
I have discovered that the father of Elizabeth Duckworth died in the summer of 1907 and that may have been the catalyst for their return to the UK later in that year.
Like me, you noticed that in 1902, the ticket number of Elizabeth Duckworth was in sequence to a Thomas Craven (and different to the other passengers). That seemed significant and led to a lot of speculation at that stage - because we still thought that Elizabeth had 'run away' from her husband.
There was a Thomas Craven in Blackburn at the time (sadly not on the 1901 census). On the 1891 census he lived half way between the Duckworth & Eaton families and may have been a friend of Robert Duckworth and Elizabeth's brother, John Eaton. It may be that he was impressed by Robert & John and decided to try NZ too. Travelling with Elizabeth in 1902 would provide advantages to both on the journey. Any other interpretation would be pure speculation. It is not known if Thomas Craven stayed in NZ.
There are other questions (inappropriate here) that have no answer, and remain open to similar 'speculation'.
Just as a "by the way", you said you could not find the Eaton family in NZ after 1919. However, there are shipping records of Rebecca returning to the UK in June of 1922 along with her 19 year old NZ born daughter, Edith. Rebecca then returned to Wellington later in the year without her daughter - Edith must have decided to stay in the UK! The Eatons must have gone to Australia after 1922 (why would they do that?!)
I have not forgotten that you asked about my user name - Tongariro. No, I am not an ex-pat. I was a Radio Officer in the Merchant Navy in the 1960's & 70's. One of my ships was the Tongariro and I spent a short time on her sister ship, Taupo. I also worked on a ship which ran between NZ & Japan. Auckland being the 'home' port of the service. I spent many happy days in NZ ports and many more in ports on that small offshore island (Australia I think it is called :))
Thanks again and best regards
Malcolm
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Hi Malcolm
Thank you for the updates and additional information.
Despite a lack of "scandal", this is still a most interesting tale of two brave couples who ventured "downunder". :)
In respect of the EATON's - last appearing in NZ electoral rolls in 1919 - I should have mentioned that the (NZ) rolls for 1922 and 1925 are not available for online viewing and so I had been unable to check these. I can tell you though that John, Rebecca and daughter Edith were resident in Victoria, Australia, by 1924.
1924 - VIC - Balaclava - St. Kilda West
EATON - John - repairer
EATON - Rebecca - home duties
EATON - Edith - home duties ... all living at 9 Barkly Street.
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I was in the vicinity of our National Library the other day and with time to "kill" (and a heatwave to escape ;D) it made sense to pop in and check further for records there. Details in following post.
~ Lu
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DUCKWORTH in New Zealand
Elizabeth and Robert also settled in Christchurch. ;)
From NZ Electoral Rolls (@ ancestry) :
1905-06 - Canterbury - Christchurch North electorate
DUCKWORTH
- Robert - occupation: Driver
- Elizabeth - married .... both residing at - 5 Radnor Street, St. Albans
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Earlier Christchurch (NZ) e/rolls - published in 1902 and 1903 (not online)
[Note: There were only ever a few men named Robert DUCKWORTH in New Zealand, all of whom appeared to have second christian names and are therefore able to be eliminated. I believe the following entry is for the Robert you are seeking. ]
1903 - Canterbury - Riccarton roll
DUCKWORTH - Robert - York Street, Belfast* - Labourer
No entry found for Elizabeth DUCKWORTH in this year.
[*Belfast is/was, a community on the Northern outskirts of Christchurch city. ]
And just in case it's of use, electoral info for the EATONs >
1902 and 1903 - Canterbury - City of Christchurch
EATON - John - bootmaker
EATON - Rebecca - married ... both residing at Winton Street
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School records ... see next >
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Just this solitary school record for DUCKWORTH. ;D
Addington School - Christchurch, NZ
Robert E. DUCKWORTH - Reg# 267
Birthdate: 25 January, 1899
Admission Date : 18 April 1904
Parent/Guardian : R. DUCKWORTH, Selwyn Street
Last Day: 21 September 1904
Destination: Left District
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... and these for EATON >
Christchurch East School
William EATON
Birthdate: 30 October 1899
Admission Date: 14 November 1904
Parent/ Guardian : John EATON - 291 Barbadoes Street
Last Day : 21 December 1904 Destination: Sumner
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Redcliffs School (near Sumner)
Edith EATON (d.o.b. 20 September 1902)
William EATON (d.o.b. 6 October 1899)
Both admitted to this school on 16 September 1907
Parent/Guardian: William* EATON - Sumner Road
Last Day (for both children) : 5 November 1912
Destination: Opawa
[Notes: Often these school records have errors - e.g. dates of birth - William shown as 30 October and 6 October 1899 : Parent/Guardian name : (Redcliffs School records) - shown as "William" EATON (instead of "John"). ;D
Opawa (the place), is about 2.5 kms South of Christchurch city. ]
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Hi again Malcolm
... this also from shipping records.
(@ ancestry) "Unassisted Passengers to New South Wales"
1907 - a index listing for a Mr and Mrs P.* DUCKWORTH
--- from Wellington, NZ, per the "Wimmera" - arrived Sydney, 3 September 1907.
Viewing the actual image for above listing, reveals that Mrs and Mrs DUCKWORTH were accompanied by two children. ;)
[* The image also clearly shows (Mr and Mrs) "P" Duckworth ... but was "P" possibly mistaken for "R" ?? ]
So, arrival on 3 September 1907 was just in time for the proposed departure of the "Seydlitz" from Sydney - date given in AUS newspapers as 7 September 1907.
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Endeavoured to find in newspapers, a departure list for the "Wimmera" from Wellington (dep. 30 August 1907) - alas, the only list available gave names of cabin/saloon passengers and not those (numbering 70-odd), who travelled steerage. :(
[The website "Mariners in Australian Waters" has also at some time captured the passenger list for the "Wimmera", September 1907 voyage - unfortunately though, the link to same, is not working.
I do suspect though that it may be the same listing as that given on the ancestry site ? ]
~ Lu
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Hi Lu!
Just a quick thank you - very much - for all this info (and work)
I will reply more fully later (tomorrow) from my other computer. I need a 'proper' keyboard - I hate laptop keyboards!
Malcolm
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Dear Lu,
From a tentative enquiry about a woman who went off to NZ with her two children - reputedly leaving her husband behind - then returning to the UK, I now have a quite comprehensive history of two related families living in NZ and later Australia. You have provided me with names of ships they travelled on, their employment, their various addresses, and schools attended by their children. The only thing that you haven't provided seems to be their telephone numbers... ;D
Robert & Elizabeth Duckworth went back to the UK and Robert resumed his previous employment as a weaver in the cotton mills, albeit in a different village some distance away from their home town of Blackburn. Their son, young Robert, was in the army in WW1 and had half his arm blown off, along with a very serious foot injury on the same side - it makes one wonder if that might have been avoided if they had stayed in NZ.
It is interesting to note that Edith Eaton (NZ born) was back with her parents in Australia in 1924. As previously mentioned, she went back to the UK in the summer of 1922 and her mother travelled alone back to NZ in December 1922. Edith must have followed along later.
I can now put together the story and type it up for my friend and her mother and I can illustrate it for them too - with the ships that the Duckworth and Eaton families sailed on. I have a superb photo of the "Wimerra" sailing from Wellington (I think), and photos of the Seydlitz, Britannia, Delphic and Orcades. The only one I cannot find is the "Omba" on which Robert & John first sailed to Sydney in 1901.
My friend's mum (daughter of the young Robert Duckworth) phoned her cousin (daughter of Eveline who went to NZ as a 9 month old) and they had a chat. The cousin has vague memories that Robert & Elizabeth Duckworth wanted to go back to NZ but were persuaded not to by the rest of the family - may or may not be true. It is known that young Robert always remembered being at school in NZ and wanted to go back.
It is rumoured that the cousin has some school reports (or similar) from Robert's time in NZ but she is apparently a 'difficult' person and a hoarder. It seems that even if she could be persuaded to find the paperwork and share it, it would take a police search team to find it ;D That's a bit of a shame!
It is known that Robert Duckworth died in 1934 and Elizabeth re-married in 1938 aged 63, only to be widowed again. She had a reputation of always moving on - never staying in one place for long. She ended her days in 1947 aged 72, living in a very old 'one up - one down' cottage in a village called Grassington in Yorkshire. The bedroom floor had knot-holes in it and you could see down into the room below! :)
Thank you for all your effort Lu - I suspect you enjoyed the search. It is what we do when we can, isn't it. I remember producing a 12 page document for a lady in Vancouver (very distantly related) who was having difficulty tracing one side of her family. I got her back to about 1780. I did something similar for another very distant relative in Ottawa. And spent 4 years conversing on email with a lady in Arlington, Virginia - providing each other with information. All good and absorbing fun. I am a grumpy old bachelor >:( with health issues which keep me semi-housebound, so I enjoy the chase. I keep finding new bits about my own family background.
Unless you have something else hidden up your sleeve, I guess that is as far as we can go on ths topic. I am glad you found refuge from your heat wave in the library - it was productive for me. However, I cannot wait for you to start feeling chilly - it might mean that I can enjoy a little warmth over here :) We have had 3 rotten summers in a row, it is time for a good one.
Best regards & keep well.
Malcolm
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Malcolm
Before the time of your EATON family, but thought this may be of interest to you.
Indexing for Ryerson from 1851 Sydney Morning Herald, found inquest report for one
'EIGHTEEN, Samuel also known as EATON, Samuel.'
I'd never have thought of looking for a surname of EIGHTEEN if I was researching EATON, would you?
Dawn M
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Hi Dawn.
In searching for my Exley relatives I have foud them transcribed as Ealey, Esley, Ecley etc. The X in Exley seemed to cause some problems! To find EIGHTEEN for EATON is stretching it a bit too far and it wouldn't even cross my mind as a possible surname! ??? The Exley name was mainly restricted to two small areas of West Yorkshire - rather like the Duckworth name being most common around Blackburn in Lancashire.
I noticed you live around the Brisbane area - one of my favourite ports in Australia, along with Melbourne. I have recently discovered that a cousin of my 2x great grandfather arrived in Melbourne in about 1852 with his wife and chidren - the gold rush era, I guess. Then a cousin of my grandfather went to Melbourne with his wife and children in 1921.
Malcolm
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Lu
I don't know whether you are still following this thread, or whether I am pushing my luck with you ::) but.....
You may recall that we found the record of Mrs E Duckworth (27), Robert (3) & Eveline (1) sailing out to Wellington on the 'Britannia' - 2 Novembewr 1902 (per ancestry).
However, careful page by page inspection of the ship manifests show that 'Britannia' sailed via Bombay to Australia (and thus probably via Suez). The destinations of the ship's passengers on which the Duckworth group sailed included Cape Town, Hobart & Wellington only - a different route.
The result of my search indicates that not one, but two lists of passengers have been tagged on to the 'Britannia' list. It would appear that the two additional ships did not have a 'front' page with the ship's name, Master &c. (There are just too many passengers listed for the one ship of the time anyway).
I might be 'pernickety' but I like to be right and I am also a ship enthusiast, so I was wondering if there are any arrival records for the Duckworth family in Wellington in early 1903, and what ship they they were aboard?? Having read a number of postings of yours on other threads, you seem to be a fountain of much knowledge, so I thought I would just ask :D
Regards
Malcolm
[PS The ship on which Robert Duckworth & John Eaton sailed to Sydney on in 1901 has been transcribed as 'Omba' and it should be 'Oruba' - an easily understood error on looking at the hand writing!]
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Hi again Malcolm
... last things, first. ;D
I'm happy you managed to find the error concerning "Omba" and "Oruba". I'd been about to add a note to your thread about this.
There was a vessel "Omba", largely working (I think) in Australian waters (- transporting coal or somesuch ?)
But yes, Ancestry (bless them), has "Omba" where it should have "ORUBA", in its listing. ;D
The "Mariners in Australian Waters" site also has the "ORUBA" passenger list for the April 1901 voyage, along with images of the original passenger list.
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/search.htm
It seems that the "Oruba" had something of an eventful trip ? (AUS. newspapers at TROVE website - June 1901)
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Will see what I can find re: DUCKWORTHs to Wellington.
~ Lu
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Thanks for the 'Mariners" & "Trove" links, Lu. Very interesting.
Mmmmm... a fire in the mail room on the "Oruba" (no smoke detectors then - just a fire watch patrol); plus a couple of mutinous crew members at Port Jackson!
I have sent a correction to Ancestry about the name of the ship ;)
Malcolm
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Hello once more Lu!
This is just to let you know that I have, at last, found the ship that Elizabeth Duckworth sailed to NZ on - with her two children. When I found it I didn't know whether to laugh or cry :'(
You will remember the manifest on which she appeared was attached to one for the "Britannia" - that is how Ancestry had interpreted it. The next manifest in the month was for the "Corinthic" and it was in the same neat and distinctive handwriting. I deduced that the ship which Elizabeth had sailed on must have been a Shaw Savill Line ship (like the Corinthic)
I then found a list of all arrivals at Wellington and sorted out the Shaw Savill ships from the list and proceeded to find their London departure manifests over a two year period - from early 1902 to early 1904 - Athenic; Gothic; Delphic; Ionic....Maori; Tokomaru; Waiwera....
I was looking for a stray header sheet with the name of the ship on it. I found the maifests for all the ships according to their approx 6 month round trip schedules - NOTHING FIT! :-[
After many hours of page by page searching over 2 days, I was about to give up. But I had been blind to clear evidence which I should have seen from the beginning. The ticket numbering system indicated a sailing between August & December 1902 so I went back to that period, only to discover, on closer inspection, that the 'unidentified' manifest was pages 3 to 6 of the "CORINTHIC" passenger list - proved by the cumulative totals of different 'passenger type' columns at the top & bottom of the pages (married, single, male, female &c) :-\.
I was so stuck on the idea of the manifest being attached to the "Britannia" that the "Corinithc" didn't really register, even though the handwriting was the same as the 'unidentified' one. Two days wasted, but a lesson learned!
I could have saved myself embarrassement by not metioning the above - but what the heck ;D
So that seems to be the last piece of the story - except the death year of John Eaton, but that doesn't matter. Once again Lu, thanks for all your help and input :-*
By the way, the "Corinthic" was on her maiden voyage.
Best regards,
Malcolm
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Hi Malcolm
WOW !! Congratulations .... well done, you. :) A splendid effort, and excellent result. ;D
I hadn't realised until this search, the shambolic nature of some of those passenger lists. :o
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I did make a note somewhere, ?? (but obviously ... not in this thread), of John EATON's death.
Will (re) find it and post details here.
Cheers
~ Lu
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From TROVE (Australian newspapers website)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home
Hi Malcolm
Notices for John EATON, available on above link ^ :
"The Argus" (Melbourne)
- Wed. -- 16 July 1946 - page 2
- Thurs. -- 17 July 1946 - page 16
~ Lu
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... and this from the Australian Death Index (@ ancestry), which gives parent's names.
John EATON
Year: 1946
Death Place: R Pk.* Victoria
Aged: 73 years [bc 1873]
Father: John EATON
Mother: Sarah KNOWLES
[* Sorry, the "R. Pk." abbreviation, is something of a mystery to me. ;D ]
~ Lu
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R.Pk in Victoria might be Roxburgh Park with postcode 3064, it looks like it's a Melbourne suburb.
PROVIC might be able to tell you what the abbreviation stands for.
Victoria has these obscure abbreviations which only a Victorian can understand ! ::) ::) :P :P
Dawn M
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Bless you, Lu ! - you have now completed the story for me - and my friend ;D
I didn't receive an email notification of your latest posts, so I have only just found them.
I have located the newspaper entries on Trove that you provided me with - thank you. I must have my 'thick' head on because it took me some time to find them, even with the dates that you provided. I probably would not have found them by myself :-\ ??? I suspect that your familiarity with the site makes you more adept in navigating it.
I couldn't search on Ancestry for Australia because my own family have been a stay-at-home lot, so I have only ever subscribed to the UK version.
[I must admit that I got all the paperwork to fill in to emigrate to NZ in about 1982 - but changed my mind]
I have told my friend about what has been found by you (lives 120 miles away) and her response is "WOW! Can you send her a bunch of flowers to say thank you?" - So you will have to imagine a bunch of flowers from her ;D
I guess I can leave you in peace now :D Give my love to Aotearoa
DAWN: It seems you have been following this thread, and thank you for your latest input. I hope you have found it interesting. I don't know why I have rambled-on with so much unnecessary information in my posts - I guess some would say it is because I am a SLOB (sad, lonely old b......!) ;)
Best regards to you both,
Malcolm :-*