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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cumberland => Topic started by: murton on Wednesday 20 February 13 20:07 GMT (UK)
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I have a problem researching the above lady. The only information that I have so far come up with is that she was born in Ambleside, Cumbria – Her parents were John and Mary Holme – she was a Worker in the Queen Mary’s Army Auxiliary Corps during the First World War – She died on 19th May 1920 and is buried in Holy Trinity Churchyard, Crook, Winster, Cumbria.
The two primary problems that I have are =
(1) Her grave has an official Commonwealth War Graves Commission headstone suggesting that she died as result of a war service cause 18 months after the end of the war. I have not yet speculated on a Death Certificate as I feel that this may only quote cause of death as “Due to war operations”, but I may have to take that chance.
(2) For what purpose would this lady. a Worker (equivalent to an army Private), be
awarded an Order of the British Empire? Her name does not appear in the London
Gazette also the Chancery of the Orders of Knighthood has no record of this lady
receiving any award. The reason for an award of the O.B.E. could give the answer
to the cause of her death.
I would be most grateful if anybody can offer any suggestions that may open a new research path.
Tony
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Someone else researching this person? (see 7th page)
http://www.crosthwaiteandlyth.co.uk/documents/Nov%20mag%2010.pdf
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Someone else researching this person? (see 7th page)
http://www.crosthwaiteandlyth.co.uk/documents/Nov%20mag%2010.pdf
Hi,
The link doesn't make any sense to me, aghadowey ?
Pels.
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Hi,
The link doesn't make any sense to me, aghadowey ?
Pels.
It's a newsletter- just scroll down to the appropriate page.
Followup here in 2012 (see 9th page)
http://www.crosthwaiteandlyth.co.uk/documents/June%20mag%2012.pdf
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Followup here in 2012 (see 9th page)
http://www.crosthwaiteandlyth.co.uk/documents/June%20mag%2012.pdf
Nor that one ?? Is it just me ?
Pels. :-\
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Nor that one ??
Pels. :-\
1) click on link
2) scroll down to page indicated
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Starting to get hot and bothered ! I am so sorry, Tony.
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I'm using Chrome and having no bother (just got someone else to check and they can also view the pages). Try using Google- "Louise Holme" & "Queen Mary’s Army Auxiliary Corps"
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Hi
Pels asked me to have a look!
It's working fine for me - Two Valleys Parish News
(using Firefox)
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Thanks brevitas ! :) I'm on Firefox and I still don't get it ?
Would you delete all my replies, so they don't ruin Tony's thread, please, Aghadowey ?
Pels.
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Someone else researching this person? (see 7th page)
http://www.crosthwaiteandlyth.co.uk/documents/Nov%20mag%2010.pdf
Thanks for the thought but we have both been in contact
Tony
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I think the local paper would be a good source of information - hope for a report of her funeral, or an obituary? The local archive service would be able to tell you which paper to try, and where copies are held. I think it's unlikely that the relevant dates will yet be available on the new digitised service, so it's either visiting the archive or the British Library or getting someone to do it for you.
If there's no central record of her OBE then there is a possibility that she didn't get one and there's a mistake somewhere - clearly a mistake that the CWGC accepted for their database? The OBE was normally awarded to relatively well-placed people; working class and "other ranks" would not normally receive it at the time, so again I have some doubts. As a very long shot, you could try asking the CWGC what their source was for the OBE information.
I think I've found her indexed as Louie Holme in Bournemouth in 1911; in 1901 with two sisters and her parents in Langdale - her father a wood carter and waggoner.
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Thanks Graham
quote I think I've found her indexed as Louie Holme in Bournemouth in 1911; in 1901 with two sisters and her parents in Langdale - her father a wood carter and waggoner.
I assume a typo - Louise not 'Louie'. However the dates appear to tie in with her age at death, quoted as 20, assuming she was 8/9 in 1901.
I have had a PM suggesting that the Westmorland Gazette might be of interest so they are my next contact.
Tony
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quote I think I've found her indexed as Louie Holme in Bournemouth in 1911; in 1901 with two sisters and her parents in Langdale - her father a wood carter and waggoner.
I assume a typo - Louise not 'Louie'.
Both the image and the index have Louie, but I am pretty convinced it's the right person: surname, age, place of birth. Perhaps she was known ans Louie and the householder wrote down her name as it was used.
Good luck!
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Of course she was HOLMES in 1901.
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Of course she was HOLMES in 1901.
?????? Don't get the point of your comment ????
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I think Geoff was just pointing out that in the 1901 census it's Holmes rather than Holme (Graham's earlier comment on 1901 census didn't mention this).
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Of course she was HOLMES in 1901.
?????? Don't get the point of your comment ????
Just a hint to anyone who was having trouble finding her. :)
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Of course she was HOLMES in 1901.
?????? Don't get the point of your comment ????
Just a hint to anyone who was having trouble finding her. :)
Sorry! ;D I understand
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I rather wonder if she caused or suffered a split from her family? All BMD entries appear to confirm the true family name as "Holmes".
The 1911 census entry shows her as "Louie Holmes", as if her employer was perfectly well aware of her proper name, but then scratches out the final "s".
She presumably joined the QMAAC as "Holme, but there is no surviving service record (as others have found).
More interestingly, her Medal Index Card in the name of Holmes, LOUIE, gives "Enlisted 15/10/1917, Discharged 08/09/1919 (Medically Unfit)." No medal entitlement is shown, but it does mention List WAAC/344. This is a Silver War badge Roll.
Going to this roll we have: WAAC/344 Worker 4100 Holmes LOUIE, [dates as above], Badge Number B338743, Medically Unfit - Served Overseas: YES.
Now what do we make of a zero campaign medal entitlement against the statement that she served overseas?