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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: ronoc on Wednesday 20 February 13 18:24 GMT (UK)
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I have a baptism on the church records website for the above on 8th Nov 1866 DOB 4th Nov. Parents Michael Gains and Bridget Fox.
I could not find a civil reg for this birth. recently I have been looking at familysearch for siblings and discovered a civil reg for Margaret Gaines born 1871. I did not see this before. I got the birth cert and it has the same parents, same address but date of birth 14 may 1871 ??? ???
would this be the 1866 birth but registered 5 years later or was there another child called Margaret to this couple.? I could not find a death between 1866 and 1871 on familysearch.
Also I could not find a baptism in 1871 on the churchrecords website for a Margaret Gains/Gaines and I know the family lived in Michael's Hill until 1871 and then moved to 5 Cook by 1873.
any help please I am confused and going round and round in circles. :(
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I have a baptism on the church records website for the above on 8th Nov 1866 DOB 4th Nov. Parents Michael Gains and Bridget Fox.
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discovered a civil reg for Margaret Gaines born 1871. I did not see this before. I got the birth cert and it has the same parents, same address but date of birth 14 may 1871 ??? ???
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I think more likely the 1st Margaret died, and they reused the name for a later child
S.
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Hi Shane,
I thought that to but I cannot find a death. I have her marr cert in 1890 which just says full age and on the 1901 census which has her age 33 and her death in 1906 which says 39 so I don't think the first born margaret died.
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Also I could not find a baptism in 1871 on the churchrecords website for a Margaret Gains/Gaines and I know the family lived in Michael's Hill until 1871 and then moved to 5 Cook by 1873.
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the 1871 baptism seems to be listed as - Mary Bridget. Parents names and address match, and birth date is within a day of the civil birth...
Baptism of Mary Bridget Ganes - 15 May 1871 (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/2877240075783)
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that makes a bit more sense. I should have copped it as I had the baptism of Mary bridget, So they baptised her as Mary Bridget, registered her as Margaret and Buried her (she died in 1877) as Bridget.
they don't make it easy do they ;D ;D ;D
thanks for your help.
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Shane can I ask you just one more thing? please :)
I read somewhere that no 4 & 5 or no 5 & 6 Cook street were artisan dwellings and were for fire brigade men and there families in the 1860' 1870's
Do you have any directories you could look up for me to see if this is true. I had previously assumed these were tenement buildings
thanks
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I read somewhere that no 4 & 5 or no 5 & 6 Cook street were artisan dwellings and were for fire brigade men and there families in the 1860' 1870's
Do you have any directories you could look up for me to see if this is true. I had previously assumed these were tenement buildings
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1868 - Cook St.
4 - Peter Sheehan, iron & rag stores (also warehouse at No. 83)
5 & 6 - tenements
Peter Sheehan is listed at 4 & 83 right up to 1879 at least. In 1879 there's no sign of numbers 5 & 6, or any artisan dwelling near those numbers that I can see
EDIT - 5 and 6 reappear as tenements in 1885
S.
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thats great Shane, thank you.
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I have just come across this post and can't really help the member but I noticed that the address was 13 Michael's Hill Dublin.
This address (or I think that is what is written) appears as the address of my Gt Gt Grandparents (Michael & Sarah Murphy) when their son (John) married in April 1876. I have attached a copy of the address.
The writing is almost indecipherable but it looked to me like Michael Hill with the number 13. So I put the address into Google it came up with this post. I thought I would ask if anyone knew where Michael's Hill was (is?).
Also, tThe reference to the fire brigade is interesting because I have a record of (who I believe to be) my Gt Gt Grandparents living at 63 COOKE ST in 1865 and there are tales of our family having served in the fire brigade.
Any information on the location of Michael's Hill etc would be appreciated.
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Hi makfai,
Michael's Hill is just at ChristChurch heading down to Winetavern Street (wood quay area) if this is incorrect I'm sure somebody will let us know. but it is definitely that area.
There were houses on Michael's Hill and Cooke St which were tenement houses used by firemen attached to Whithorse Yard. the fire brigade formed in 1862. there is a good book by a guy called Las Fallon call "Dublin Fire Brigade and the Irish Revolution" which you can buy online (not expensive) which is a good read and had some good pics of early firemen.
Hope this helps :)
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Meant to mention if you get the marriage cert for John Murphy it would probably give his father's occupation :)
ronoc
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Thanks for that. I finally found reference to Michael's Hill in an old Dublin register so I know it existed! I can't find it marked on Google but I have found Winetavern Street.
I have also seen reference to St Michael's Hill as the address for Dublinia
http://www.dublinia.ie/location/ but again St Michael's Hill is not on Google. I wonder if Michael's Hill became St Michael's Hill?
The marr cert gives occupation of both John and His father (Michael) as Tailor.
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If you use the OSI Mapviewer, you won't find st. Michaels hill using search or just Michaels, but if you zoom in on the area around Christ Church you can see St. Michael's Hill on the modern and all the old maps just at the top of Winetavern st. Also St.Michaels Lane and the entire block to the left of the top of Winetavern appears to be called St.Michaels.
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,591271,743300,0,10
I asked a Dublin taxi driver the other day and he didn't know, I'll have to remember to tell him next time he's in the shop.
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I have found Michael's Hill in the 1862 Dublin Street Directory http://www.libraryireland.com/Dublin-Street-Directory-1862/111.php
'Michael's-hill' went from High-street to Cook-street. Nos 4 to 11 were in the parish of St. Michael; remainder in parish of St. John. It came under Merchants'-quay W & City.
Based on this I wonder if Michael's Hill was what is now called St Michael's Close? I checked the OS map as suggested and saw that on there the street west of and parallel to St Michael's Hill is listed simply as 'Michael' whereas in Google etc it is shown as St Michael's Close
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Nice find, sounds correct.
So that would be St. Michaels Lane on the 25" historic map and just Michaels on the street map?
Someone posted the years of these maps here once but I just can't remember what they were.
Most of St.Michaels hill is taken up by the church but there are a few houses at the end of it on the 25" historic so worth keeping in mind.
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Family Search,Irish Prison Registers shows Michael Gaines in Waterford Prison in 1880 for assault on Patrick Toole,Michael age 23 born 1857 in Michaels Hill ,residence 5 Cork St obviously a mistranscription of Cooke st, also shows a John Gains born 1843 in Michaels Hill in the Richmond Bridewell in 1883 living at New Row.
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Hi Dathai, Thank you for your interest. I have those two prison registers. You can't beat them for information. :)
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Nice find, sounds correct.
So that would be St. Michaels Lane on the 25" historic map and just Michaels on the street map?
Someone posted the years of these maps here once but I just can't remember what they were.
Most of St.Michaels hill is taken up by the church but there are a few houses at the end of it on the 25" historic so worth keeping in mind.
Yes that would be St Michael's Lane on the 25" historic map. Do you know the date of that map?
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Not sure but I think this must be the same maps
http://www.osi.ie/Products/Professional-Mapping/Historical-Mapping.aspx
so the 25" would be 1897 to 1913
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Don't forget that address you first posted says Michaels Hill, now there doesn't seem to be 13 houses on the Hill but it may not say 13 or the numbers may not be so straight forward.
I'd be careful of deciding one way or the other as to which street is the address you are looking for, I think it's enough to say it is one or the other.