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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Essex => England => Essex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: zemanova on Sunday 17 February 13 04:14 GMT (UK)
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I have been doing research for some years and I always thought that my 2 x Great Grandmother, Mary Ann Tyler was born around 1844 in Gosfield and that her parents were James Harrington, born Wethersfield around 1815 and Mary Ann Tyler.
Recently I have discovered via Public Trees on Ancestry.co.uk that this Mary Ann Harrington married someone by the name of Gilbey. I have the marriage certificate of my Mary Ann Harrington, who married a James Clarke in Wethersfield in 1868. Her age is shown as 22 years, making her year of birth aorund 1846. I have also found a marriage between a James Harrington and a Marianne Turner in the 4th quarter of 1845 in the Halstead District, which covers Gosfield.
Has any one got access to Parish Records and can confirm Mary Ann Harrington's parents?
Unfortunately Mary Ann was a common name among Harrington's.
Dave
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St. Catherine, Gosfield
Mary Ann Harrington
born 16th October, 1847
baptised November 21st, 1847
dau of James and Maryann
father a labourer
also to above
Richard bap February 10th, 1850
Samuel bap September 5th, 1852
I think you are correct with the Harrington/Tyler marriage as there is a Tyler son with the family in 1851. So did Mary Ann have a child before marriage?
The marriage in Wethersfield in 1838 has Mary Ann as a spinster.
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Thanks for the info Suffolk Sue. That would seem to be my Mary Ann Harrington. Unfortunately I still can't confirm that were parents were the James Harrington and Marianne Turner, who married in 1845, although it is likely that is the case.
To add to my woes, the Richard and Samuel you mention, I have down as children of James Harrington and Mary Ann Tyler !! I guess I will have to sent to the UK for Mary Ann Harrington's birth certificate.
Dave
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Hi Dave,
The Batch of marriages in the Dec quarter 1845 Halstead (vol 12page 227) gives a permutation of 4 brides and 4 grooms. The parish question is Toppesfield and the actual partners were James Harrington marrying Elizabeth Russell and William Barnard marrying Marianne Turner.
I know it does not help you in a positive sense but does eliminate this particular James and Mary.
Regards
Mike
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Hi Mike
Thanks for that info, which as you say, doesn't help me. The question now is who is the Maryann/Marianne who married James Harrington and had a daughter named Mary Ann; born 1847?
Marianne Turner is the only person to appear on the same marriage page as a James Harrington, other than a Mary Ann Sewell in 1842 in the Dunmow Registration District. I think I'll have to get the birth certificate of Mary Ann Harrington and hope that it will show the mothers maiden name.
Thanks for your help.
Dave
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Dave,
A search of the 1851 & 1861 census shows only one Mary Ann Harrington born in Gosfield - the one with James and and Mary Ann Tyler as parents.
Does the entry on the ancestry public tree which is giving you doubts give any source that you can check (ie date and place of marriage) . It is possible that the tree could be wrong.
Mike
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Dave,
I have looked a bit further and have a stronger feeling that the Tyler assumption is correct.
The 1871 census shows James and Mary Clarke - James born Wethersfield, Mary born Gosfield -
they have as a lodger Richard Harrington born Gosfield. Mary Ann (of Harrington/Tiler descent) had a brother Richard born Gosfield - no other Richard Harringtons born Gosfield. Circumstantial but quite strong evidence.
The Mary Harrington who married Thomas Gilby was born in Wethersfield (possibly to a single mother).
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Dave,
Final bit to the jigsaw I hope.
21/09/1867 married at Finchingfield Thomas Gilby to Mary Ann Harrington. No father entered for Mary Ann -ties up to my last post (born to single mother).
I think a lot of Root chatters will agree - never believe other peoples trees without doing your own checks - it is so easy to carry on the errors. I hope the birth certificate will prove everything conclusively.
Mike
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Hi
St John the baptist, Finchingfield
21 Sep 1867
Thomas Gilbey & Mary Ann Harrington both 20, single and of the parish
No father given for Mary Ann.
Kevin
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Hi
Census after the marriage state that she was born in Westerfield
St Mary Magdalene, Westerfield
Baptism
6 May 1849
Mary Ann Harrington daughter of Hannah Harrington single woman of Westerfield.
Kevin
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Hi
Looking at the Westerfield parish records again, there are some baptisms for other Harrington children for a couple of years previous to Mary Anns baptism with parents of Thomas and Hannah Harrington and a burial for Thomas Harrington age 38, 6 days after Mary Anns baptism. I don't suppose it could be possible that Thomas was her father and that she was baptised while they were awaiting his funeral???
Kevin
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Kevin,
I think you mean Wethersfield - Westerfield is up in North Suffolk.
There seemed to be quite a number of Harrington families in Wethersfield -possibly all related in some way.
Mike
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Kevin,
I think you mean Wethersfield - Westerfield is up in North Suffolk.
There seemed to be quite a number of Harrington families in Wethersfield -possibly all related in some way.
Mike
Yes, that's what I meant...thanks. Kevin
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Hi Mike & Kevin
Thank you both very much for the info. Firstly I stopped my subscription to Ancestry so I can't check the public members tree, although I think it was more than one tree giving the info that suggested Mary Ann Tyler's daughter Mary Ann Harrington married a Thomas Gilbey. There was even a photo of Mary Ann Harrington. So I can't check to see what the source was.
I had previously a note about Hannah Harrington and it certainly looks like it was her daughter who married Thomas Gilbey and therefore my previous research was correct and my Mary Ann Harrington was the daughter of James Harrington and Mary Ann Tyler.
I am now going to send for the birth certificate of Mary Ann Harrington born 16th October 1847 in Gosfield, just to confirm this. You are right about Ancestry trees, but with more than one tree suggesting I was wrong I thought I obviously was. Lesson learnt there eh.
Thanks again for your help and to everyone else. I'll post the result of the birth certificate, which I trust will show the mothers maiden name.
Dave
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I now have the birth certificate for Mary Ann Harrington born 16th October 1847 in Gosfield and indeed her mother was Mary Ann Harrington, formerly Tyler. The Mary Ann Harrington who married Thomas Gilbey was born born on 16th August 1847, but in Wethersfield. Free BMD lists two Mary Ann Harrington born in the 3rd quarter of 1847 in the Braintree District. Whereas the only Mary Ann Harrington born in the 4th quarter of 1847 was born in the Halstead District. Interestingly Wethersfield is in the Braintree District, but Gosfield is in the Halstead District.
I now know that my Mary Ann was the daughter of Mary Ann Tyler and I have learned the lesson not to believe all you read on public trees on Ancestry.
Once again thanks to all you good folk who helped me on this one, which means I won't have to tell my Tyler cousins in Australia that they aren't my cousins after all.
Dave
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Good result Dave.
And you now have a document supporting your family history.
Mike