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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => US Lookup Requests => Topic started by: frances13 on Friday 15 February 13 15:44 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to trace a Mr/Mrs W R Kitchel, they lived at 97 Rutledge Road Belmont, Mass in 1965. I think they will now be in there 90's. I am interested in their housekeeper/ nanny Eleanor Irving, who died 06 November 1965. There must be the next generation of children out there or several generations who may remember Eleanor. She was unmarried, came from Leyland, Lancashire, England.
She original worked for the family in France before the second world war, and then moved to Belmont with the daughter and her American husband.
She was my aunt, any help would be greatly appreciated.
Frances
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Hello Frances,
Could be this one ???
William Kitchel - Born - 11 Jan 1918 Died - Feb 1983
SSN issued in New York (Before 1951)
Last Residence - 02146 Brookline, Norfolk, Massachusetts.
William R Kitchel Born NJ - 11 Jan 1918 and Died - 15 Feb 1983 Arlington
Certificate - 016716
http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Kitchel-31
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0sxg/ (3 children)
Sandra
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In case you are unaware, it is against the rules of Roots Chat to post about people who are living or may be living. However, it appears that W.R. Kitchel & his wife are deceased.
It looks like the beginning of his wife's obituary is here:
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-8741162.html
William R. Kitchel on the Mass. death index: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VZBC-8NP
I found an obituary of one of their daughters who died young. I will send you the information via private message.
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Diane Kitchel - Born - 14 Oct 1921 and Died - 2 May 1992
SSN issued in Massachusetts (1962)
Last Residence - 02167 Chestnut Hill, Middlesex, Massachusetts.
Massachusetts Death Index
Diane D Kitchel - 14 Oct 1921 Other Place and Died Newton. Massachusetts 2 May 1992.
Certificate - 028968
Young daughter appeared on the Maine Death Index:- Patricia H Kitchel Died 29th September 1973 aged 15 years - Bangor. Maine - Certificate:
7307489
There was a son married in Vermont 1989 details (Plus birth of the next generation of Kitchel) - sent by pm.
Sandra
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You may or may not have seen the probate for Eleanor - Eleanor Hill Irving - 52 Balcarres Road, Leyland, Lancashire died 6 November 1965 Wellington Nursing Home, 8 Wellington Street, Arlington, Massachusetts USA. Probate Liverpool 19 July to Jane Cuthell Irving spinster and Elizabeth Webster Watson married woman. £xxxx
pm sent ref living relatives.
Sandra
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Hi Frances,
Thank you for your messages.
Were you aware that William Ray Kitchel had been married previously ?
25th June 1940 to Catherine Bruce Gamble. Locust Valley, Nassau, New York.
http://www.fultonhistory.com/flash_ok.html
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There was announcement in the New York Times - 24 th May 1948
"Comtesse De Ganey" engaged to be married.
Ex-aide of French Red Cross will be wed to William Ray Kitchel of Harvard.
Announcement has been made here of the engagement of Comtesse Diane De Ganey, daughter of Comtesse Bernard De Ganey of Paris and the late Comte De Ganey to William Ray Kitchel son of the late Cornelius P Kitchel of Engelwood NJ and Riomar, Vero Beach, Florida and the late Mrs Kitchel. The prospective bride attended The School of the Sacred Heart in Roehampton England and served with the French red croos during the German occupation of France. She received her State Nursing Dipolma in 1941. Her father died in 1940 while serving with the French Army as a Captain. The bride elect is the great grand-daughter of the Marquis De Ganey, the former Mrs Elizabeth Ridgeway of Philadelphia.
Mr Kitchel was graduated from Phillips Academy in Andover Massachusetts and in 1940 from Yale College. He served in Europe as a Lieutenant Commander with the Navy and expects to receive a degree from the Harvard Graduate School of Business Administration in June.
The bridegroom elect is a grandson of the late Mr and Mrs William Ray of Brooklyn. He is a member of the Yale Club of New York.
Sandra
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To avoid duplication:-
Also asking for info on Europe:- http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,636927.new.html#new
and Immigrants and Emmigrants:-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,636763.msg4841601.html#new
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I happened to find your inquiry about Eleanor Irving, or Nanny as we called her, and have joined Rootschat in the hope that I can answer some of you questions. I am the son of William & Diane and our Nanny was the love of our - my sisters & I - childhoods.
Please respond so that we may continue email exchanges to expand this lovely story of the sweetest woman who gave her whole life for the benefit of raising children in a loving and cared-for environment.
WRKJR
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Thank you so much for getting in touch, I have been searching for information on Eleanor for 3 years and I thought the trail had gone cold. I am her niece, she had 4 sisters and 1 brother. My cousins of which there are 4 still alive have very scanty knowledge of her visiting and staying with her sister and a telegram which my father received saying she had been taken as a prisoner of war in France. everything else I have pieced together from newspapers, shipping records etc. I have one early photo of her dressed as nurse on a balcony in Paris. Do you remember a nephew visiting her on his way to teach in the Gilbert & Ellis Islands? Apparently he did not have a dinner jacket and I presume you or your father lent him one so that he could accompany the family to a concert. I can well understand why she stayed in America, you were her family and after the war things were very bleak in England, till about the 1960's. Leyland was a manufacturing town and except to see her sisters there would be really no life here to come back to.
A bit about me, I live in Yorkshire and found out that I had living relatives 2 years ago when I found I had a sister and several cousins. My father was Joseph Irving, Eleanor's brother. It has been exciting to be reunited with the Irving clan, my sister is 80 and has thoroughly enjoyed the information we have found out, a new nephew in Japan, gold miners in Australia in 1880's so Eleanor followed a family pattern through the years of leaving England and making a new life abroad.
I would love to hear about her and what she was like. If you are able to scan any photographs in, we don't have any except the one pre-war.
If you reply by personal message, your posting will not be public and I can then give you my email address.
Thank you so much for getting in touch, I look forward to hearing from you.
Kind regards
Josephine
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The pleasure is mine in sharing such fond memories of Nanny. It will most assuredly be the same for my sister's, who came to America with Mom & Nanny in the late 1940s, as I intend to share our new develping connection. Let me start by providing my personal email address so all future emailing can be less public but I'm unfamiliar with how one does so with RootsChat without it being public - one thing I don't need is more unnwarranted email.
Bill
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