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Hi, I am trying to trace my husbands gt grandfather, who seems to be very allusive!
We can't find any birth certificate for him, but on his service records he gives it at 4 Aug 1885, Newbiggin, Northumberland.
He was a Getter, coal miner, on both his marriage cert in 1913, Failsworth and when he enlisted in 1914. He married Mary Jane Sidlow (nee Ashworth) and she had three children to her first husband, Frank Sidlow, who died in a mining accident.
Mary Jane and Frank were living at 488 Oldham Road, Failsworth in the 1901 census. Then at 14 Schofield Street, Failsworth, in 1911.
John Seymour was living at 5 Ash Road when he got married in 1913
Then Mary and John were living at 122 Oldham Road, Failsworth, in 1914 when he enlisted.
I just wondered if someone could fill in the missing years for John?
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Hello,
Electoral rolls are searched by address rather than the name so it would be too difficult to trace him through those.
Do you have him anywhere before 1913?
Did he stay with Mary Jane after his war service?
regards
heywood
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Hi Heywood,
Those are the only addresses that we have? Maybe check 122 Oldham Road, as this seemed to be where Mary Jane lived for several years.
It just seems really odd, as Mary was buried with her first husband, Frank, when she died.
No mention on her death certificate that John had already passed away, he was listed as a laborer at the local council.
He just seems to have disappeared!
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Just checked my notes and John was listed as living at 122 Oldham Road when his daughter was born in 1919 and Mary Jane died there in 1925, so it's really just to check that John was with her all those years and possibly beyond.
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Who registered Mary Jane's death?
Is it on her death certificate that he is a council worker? When you say that there is no mention that he had already passed away - had he?
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It does seem strange perhaps that Mary Jane was buried with her first husband but I see that there is an Ivy Sidlow also buried there. Free BMD has her age at death as 4 yrs so that would be one reason.
There is a John Seymour buried in Failsworth cemetery - aged 37 yrs in 1927. There is no one else in that grave.
The likely death seems to be registered in Farnworth Bolton which is odd. Do you know if that is him?
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Hi
The John Seymour in Failsworth Cemetery died in Peel Hall Hospital - a hospital for treating tuberculosis
Heather
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:D wow that's great! I've not been able to find anything about John Seymour, apart from his marriage in 1913 and his army records.
I don't know if that is him, but I do know that his three children ended up in care after Mary Jane died.
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It might be good then to get that death certificate for John Seymour.
If it is him, Mary Jane's burial was 31.12.1925 and his burial was 10.1.1927 so there was only a year between them and he may have been ill most of that time.
Here are the details:
March quarter 1927 Bolton volume 8c page 382
Does he give a father's name on his marriage certificate?
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Yes, his father was also John Seymour and a collier.
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Heather have you got a link to Peel Hill hospital? Thanks
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I got the name from the Oldham Council grave register
www.oldham.gov.uk
(Home Births, marriages and deaths Deaths Cemeteries, graves and memorials Cemeteries)
He was buried 10/1/1927 Failsworth Cemetery Section G Grave K9
I googled Peel Hall Hospital and it closed and the land has been redeveloped.
Heather
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The grave register is on familysearch but the link isn't working at the moment. It might give the name of the person who bought the grave.
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I've ordered his death certificate! ;D
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That's where I got the info re the graves for Mary Jane and John too - never thought to click on his name ::) I just checked to see if anyone else was buried there.
Thanks Heather :)
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Thank you both so much! There looks to be a discrepancy of about 5 years on his age, but then he had two different ages on his war records too!
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I wondered if he altered his age because Mary Jane was older than him (think she was anyway)
At the moment, I think he changed his name too ;D
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Heywood, can you access his army records? You might spot something I didn't?
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I noticed that at one time there is a different age as you mention but that is all.
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This looks like it could be his birth year by his death age but does not match is army date but many lies were told them days on army records
His dads name should be on a marriage register/certificate and on the 1891 census
Births Mar 1892
Seymour
John Whitfield
Morpeth 10b 387
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/morpeth.html
Newbiggin by the Sea
Northumberland
1837
1936
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Thank you dobfarm ;D
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The grave register is on familysearch
England Lancashire oldham cemetery Registers
Failsworth
Burial registers 1922-1931
images 108 and 109 5th row from the bottom.
It doesn't say who bought the grave but it says in the last column, from what parish removed Failsworth
Heather
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There another burial in Lancashire of a John Seymour
born 1881 died 1952
Burial: 19 June 1952 Burnley Cemetery, Burnley, Lancashire
John William Seymour - 71yrs
11 Glen St
Grave NE9469 page 125, entry 125323
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He isn't John Whitfield Seymour -his father is Joshua and a farm manager.
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::) didn't think he was going to be that easy to find! :'(
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Can someone check the Wills calenders for a John Seymour Lancashire post 1914
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Can someone check the Wills calenders for a John Seymour Lancashire post 1914
What's that dobfarm?
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Index to Wills
They give a brief detailed info in the index, its useful in two ways either your John if he left a Will or eliminating other John's as that were thought possible your John Seymour
They are on ancest*y.co.uk website
If your not a subscribed member of that website ? then you can use the the Ancest*y free library edition at any library that has public computer access -(Main town / city Libraries)
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I had a quick look but couldn't find any John Seymour's at the time of his death. ???
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Good morning :)
At the moment, Dobfarm, it does look to be the John who died in 1927 from the circumstances. He died in a hospital in Farnworth, Bolton area but buried in Failsworth. It is not certain because of the age difference but castana has sent for the certificate.
I fear that the certificate though may not be much help as he died in hospital so that would probably be the address and the informant perhaps a hospital employee!
What is frustrating is that there does not seem to be any trace of him pre his marriage and his war record. There are some John Seymour births in Northumberland in a rough time span but none registered in Morpeth which would be the registration district. :-\
heywood
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There maybe a obituary or a mention in the deaths in a local newspaper that mentions his wife or late wife, children etc or a headstone that may mention something?
What age was John on his marriage certificate
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Hi Castana
I've known the GRO index to be wrong before as they did with my brothers death 1947 but they local register office had his death certificate.
The index at Morpeth local register offices are the original hand written book index and are seperate index to the National GRO at Southport copy
If you write or phone them to ask them check that date you have, they will ask you what info you have for John Seymour born 1885 ie;- his dad name John, army record birth date 1885 etc
This is the link and you need Morpeth register office where New Beggin BMD records are keep
Scroll down the page to Morpeth register office and telephone number in the link
http://www.northumberland.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=3480
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Thanks for that, but I contacted Morpeth a couple of years ago and there was no John Seymour born on that day/year.
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One family member did think that he had changed his name. :(
So if he did have a different name and he lied about his age, I haven't got a clue where to go next, thats why I wondered if there might have been an obituary for Mary Jane and he might have got a mention?
Ive searched and searched for a John Seymour in the censuses and cannot find him! :(
How do I add an attachment? I can upload his wedding certificate?
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This may help with attaching the image http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,130922.0.html
You can only attach a small part of it though.
There may be no need as you have told us everything though :-\ Did they give the same address on the certificate?
I have also searched to no avail! If he was born a Seymour-either to a single mother or a married couple there should be a registration.
If he was registered in another name and then mum married a Seymour he should be there also. Maybe that is what happened but in the censuses there is then no reference to Newbiggin!
I tried searching the 1911 free index but there doesn't seem to be anyone from Newbiggin living around Failsworth. It's a mystery at the moment.
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They married at St. Johns Church, Failsworth 6 Feb 1913:
John Seymour, 27, a bachelor, collier, living at 5 Ash Street (which looks to be just off Oldham Road), his father John Seymour (deceased) was also given as a collier.
Mary Jane Sidlow, 30, a widow, Tenter, living at All Saints, Newton Heath, her father, James Ashworth, (deceased) a fitter.
The witnesses were: William Jones and Jane Richardson (who couldn't sign her name) :(
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I'll ask again
What age was John on his 1913 marriage certificate
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27 as stated in my last post, which ties in with 1885!
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Sorry
the post we posted about the same time
Have you consided that John could have remarried and died very old in another area
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That may be another option, but it seems odd that all his three children that he had with Mary Jane ended up in care. If he did change his name, I was wondering if someone could look up the electoral registers for the addresses we have for him. He may just arrived in Failsworth under his 'first' name??
We know he got married in 1913 from 5 Ash Street, just off Oldham Road, so I wonder if he is there, a few years before.
Another idea, was to see if anyone had any registers for the Moston Pit, as I'm assuming he worked there? Thats where Frank Sidlow died. So again, if registers exist - that would be another avenue??
On his army pension, his occupation before enlisting was a Getter.
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Unfortunately we aren't allowed to post 1911 details but if you have access you could do an address search for Ash Street in that census.
1911 and 1912 Failsworth electoral rolls are missing by the looks of it http://www.oldham.gov.uk/info/200391/sources/665/electoral_registers_and_burgess_rolls
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Hi Castana
To be honest!
Most help on this website is online help. If lucky! some members who live close to archives will do simple or straight forward look ups like a parish register BMD on a known date or Quarter 3 month ( on known church/parish) from free BMD GRO index if the church is known that only takes say 1 to 2 hours max.
Blanket searches of post 1911c info! (alot eliminating info-ie;- a wrong grave) that needs deep research, graveyard viewing, trawling newpapers, un-named, indexed by street only electoral registers and finding the right church if a parish BMD event is needed in un-indexed parish registers etc, This can take days and few people will do that free.
You could be lucky ! and find someone.
John's youngest childs birth certificate that went into care will give John's name -if he had say John as his middle name-?? also may give a last known address or if John died months or still alive before the child was born etc. Mary may have died in childbirth ?
The date the children went into child care may be because both parent had died before that date
Dobby
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Good morning.
It is difficult isn't it!
He can't be in Ash Street in 1911 because he would be in the census.
If he was there 1912 - the electoral rolls are not there and would not help really.
1913- he gives Ash Street as his address.
1913- son John is born - is that at the same address?
I have no idea re Moston Pit - you could try Manchester Archives perhaps? Just noticed that you have been here before http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,393248.msg2644016.html#msg2644016
Of course he may not have worked at the Moston Pit
If you think that the death is John, I am not sure either re the sanatorium records but there is a reference here:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/details?Uri=C1883019
heywood
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By 1914 its likely John would be at war and Ash street accomodation in 1913 could be a relative or boarding house or army barracks if John is not living there on 1911c
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By 1914 its likely John would be at war and Ash street accomodation in 1913 could be a relative or boarding house or army barracks if John is not living there on 1911c
Hi Dobby,
if you read the thread again, you will see what Castana already has. Much of what you have said in the last two posts is either known already or not being requested.
1913- he is married from Ash Street
1914- he enlists from Oldham Road and his war record is known
1925- Mary Jane dies - certificate and grave is known
1927 - possible/probable death for John - grave now found if right person
Pre 1913- no sign of John in registers or censuses with the birth details he gives on enlistment - 1885 Newbiggin
As Ash street is earliest known address (marriage) that would be the first place to look.
Unfortunately, Electoral Rolls (the title of this thread) are not avaiable for 1911 and 1912.
An address search could be done by Castana for 1911 census but looks unlikely as there is no John Seymour around in free index for Failsworth.
Castana has not asked for newspaper trawling and parish searches in this post and other means you have referred to.
Often we can be successful on RC - in this case, the success will be the death and grave of JS if it is him which will provide the reason for the children being taken into care perhaps. So we have not failed but not been as successful as we had hoped - yet :)
regards
heywood
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Hi Heywood
My comment was a general realistic one for offline reseaching post 1911 c info data (never easy)
There could be a parish register event entry in Newbiggin, Northumberland 1885 baptism for John jr Seymour with father John & mothers name somewhere. I can't find my grandfathers birth certificate but found his baptism 1867.
http://www.oldham.gov.uk/info/200391/sources/659/newspapers_and_obituaries
The graveplan/plot map of and records for info as related family for
Failsworth cemetery and records for info as related family
is needed from Oldham council cemeteries admin, the Oldham evening chronicle deaths needs checking 1927 for info as related family
Failsworth Cemetery
Cemetery Road
Failsworth
Manchester, M35 ORS
http://www.oldham.gov.uk/info/200388/cemeteries_graves_and_memorials/641/cemeteries
http://www.twbaird.co.uk/cemplans/fails.html
Cemetery Office env.cemeteries[-- at --]oldham.gov.uk
Hollinwood Cemetery
Roman Road
Hollinwood
The 1911c Ash street needs checking to see if any boarding houses
The 1911 post census to early 1914 local council electoral registers need checking
1926 general strike and 1927 Oldham great flood may have some connection
Workhouse records deaths Oldham and Workhouse Newbiggin baptisms
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Universal suffrage did not start until 1918, unless the said person was rich he would not be on any voters register prior to 1918.
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Universal suffrage was women voting 1918 at the age of 30 in national elect but women could vote in local elections from 1869
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Thanks Dobfarm
Your general comments rightly point out the difficulties with post 1911 research.
Failsworth Cemetery information has been found - see replies 5,6,11 and 21 here.
The Chronicle may help re death notice but as we have read here, Mary Jane was buried with her first husband and the children were then put into care. It would be reasonable then to assume that there would be no death notice by any other family member.
5 Ash Street was/is a small terraced house. He may have been lodging there but doesn't see to be in 1911- his name is not in the index.
It might be good to wait for that death certificate to see if he can be connected to that John Seymour.
You have a good point re the church records for baptisms in Newbiggin. Maybe Castana has tried or will look at that.
heywood
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Hi
The information about Failsworth cemetery is on familysearch
Heather
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Hi
The information about Failsworth cemetery is on familysearch
Heather
Heather - I hadn't finished the post and pressed a button!! You had posted in the meantime. :D
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I realised after I had posted.
I have just been looking through his army medical reports. It says rhumatism and something else that I can't make out. He was discharged from the army on medical grounds.
I noticed that it says that Mary Jane Ashworth was a spinster when she married.3-2-00 Prestwich?
Children
Harold
Herbert 20.11.01 Failsworth
Ivy 23.11.10 Failsworth dead
John 30.6.13 Failsworth
Thomas 27.10.16 Prestwich
Heather
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I see that Mary died of TB
Heather
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If I recall it was something like Myalgia.
The marriage on Free BMD is Mary Jane Sidlow and the older children must be Sidlows.
I noticed that son John's registration said mother 'Ashworth' also.
Just noticed your last post re Mary's death. It is very sad. I think the stigma of TB was really bad. I remember my mother talking about a young woman who had had it and had recovered but you could just tell that it was such a disastrous event in a family.
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I have the family living at 5 Ash Street in 1911 - don't recognize anybody?? :'(
Alfred Clare, Head, Married, 28 b.1883. Cop Packer in Cotton Mill, b. Manchester
Henrietta Clare, wife, 26, b.1885. b. Darwen, Lancashire
Jesse Clare, son 5, 1906 b. Failsworth, Lancashire
Alice Clare, daughter, 2. Failsworth, Lancashire
Beatrice Maria Welting - SIL 16, Card Room Hand, Cotton Mill. b.Darwen, Lancs.
I'll have along the street to see if there is anything else?
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I realised after I had posted.
I have just been looking through his army medical reports. It says rhumatism and something else that I can't make out. He was discharged from the army on medical grounds.
I noticed that it says that Mary Jane Ashworth was a spinster when she married.3-2-00 Prestwich?
Children
Harold
Herbert 20.11.01 Failsworth
Ivy 23.11.10 Failsworth dead
John 30.6.13 Failsworth
Thomas 27.10.16 Prestwich
Heather
Just noticed
Son Thomas 27.10.16 Prestwich
John P Seymour 53 (born 1883) Bury 8c 477 Deaths Jun 1936
Civil Registration
The Register Office covering the Prestwich area is Bury.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Prestwich/
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Thanks Dobfarm
Your general comments rightly point out the difficulties with post 1911 research.
Failsworth Cemetery information has been found - see replies 5,6,11 and 21 here.
The Chronicle may help re death notice but as we have read here, Mary Jane was buried with her first husband and the children were then put into care. It would be reasonable then to assume that there would be no death notice by any other family member.
5 Ash Street was/is a small terraced house. He may have been lodging there but doesn't see to be in 1911- his name is not in the index.
It might be good to wait for that death certificate to see if he can be connected to that John Seymour.
You have a good point re the church records for baptisms in Newbiggin. Maybe Castana has tried or will look at that.
heywood
Heywood I gave the Cem admin address more to send/ask/phone for a detailed plot map also grave owners billing records (who paid for an interment) that are different to grave interment records and location numbers
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I have the family living at 5 Ash Street in 1911 - don't recognize anybody?? :'(
Alfred Clare, Head, Married, 28 b.1883. Cop Packer in Cotton Mill, b. Manchester
Henrietta Clare, wife, 26, b.1885. b. Darwen, Lancashire
Jesse Clare, son 5, 1906 b. Failsworth, Lancashire
Alice Clare, daughter, 2. Failsworth, Lancashire
Beatrice Maria Welting - SIL 16, Card Room Hand, Cotton Mill. b.Darwen, Lancs.
I'll have along the street to see if there is anything else?
Thhe Clare's may have had lodgers 1913
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The army records say that Thomas was born Prestwich 1916 but his birth was registered Failsworth
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Heywood I gave the Cem admin address more to send/ask/phone for a detailed plot map also grave owners billing records (who paid for an interment) that are different to grave interment records and location numbers
Yes that would be interesting re ownership of the plot. There is possibly a fee now for that information. There is a general plot map online but not sure how knowing the location of the plot would help. He is the only person in the plot.
Interesting find re the death - there is a John Phillips Seymour though in 1891 in Ramsbottom :-\
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Prestwich was the registration district which covered Failsworth.
Then Failsworth became Manchester North.
Now it is Oldham.
Prestwich district also went to Manchester.
Now it's part of Bury.
Just to keep us on our toes :D
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Unfortunately, the burial record for Failsworth doesn't say who paid for the plot. Some of the other Oldham cemeteries give that information
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Unfortunately, the burial record for Failsworth doesn't say who paid for the plot. Some of the other Oldham cemeteries give that information
So, does that mean we won't be able to find that information?
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Prestwich was the registration district which covered Failsworth.
Then Failsworth became Manchester North.
Now it is Oldham.
Prestwich district also went to Manchester.
Now it's part of Bury.
Just to keep us on our toes :D
From 1934 went to Heywood part of Bury
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/heywood.html
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John's youngest childs birth certificate that went into care will give John's name -if he had say John as his middle name-?? also may give a last known address or if John died months or still alive before the child was born etc. Mary may have died in childbirth ?
The date the children went into child care may be because both parent had died before that date
Dobby
I haven't got Ivy's (the youngest of John and Mary's children) birth certificate, but I do have the information from her marriage cert..
At St. Winifreds, Newton Heath, 30th Sept 1939, living at 54 Dean Street, Newton Heath, her father was listed as 'Jack' Seymour, deceased, former occupation laborer.
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Tell a lie, I do have a note of Ivy's birth certificate.
They were living at 122 Oldham Road, Failsworth. John Seymour, Electrician's laborer.
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He seems to change his job too - perhaps a general labourer turning his hand to anything available.
You could try phoning Oldham cemeteries to see if there are any details of the ownership.
(Can't see anything for a Jack Seymour anywhere either!) He must be telling fibs surely!
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Hi
There is someone on this site who has a lot of information about Oldham cemeteries but I can't remember who it is. ???
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Did a search and found this
'All cemetery records for Oldham are held at the Offices at Hollinwood Cemetery.'
added: Castana, I have sent you the contact details for the cemetery office.
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Did a search and found this
'All cemetery records for Oldham are held at the Offices at Hollinwood Cemetery.'
Thanks - there is a grave registry on Familysearch is that different than the person who purchased it?
For the LE20 Sidlow grave it just says Sidlow and for John Seymours grave it just gives Seymour?
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Did a search and found this
'All cemetery records for Oldham are held at the Offices at Hollinwood Cemetery.'
added: Castana, I have sent you the contact details for the cemetery office.
I've sent them an email. Thanks.
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Hi
These transcripts seem interesting (if you bought them you may need to ask your local library to use there film fiche reader )
http://www.northumberland.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=1665
A268.
Newbiggin St Bartholomew, Baptisms 1750-1899, Burials 1797-1899
£5.50 -8 fiche (click on bottom link)
http://www.experiencewoodhorn.com/family-history/
http://www.experiencewoodhorn.com/file/uploaded/Collections%20-%20Price%20Lists/MICROFICHE%20FOR%20SALE%20ARCHIVES%20ONLY%20%28A%20SERIES%29.pdf
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Did a search and found this
'All cemetery records for Oldham are held at the Offices at Hollinwood Cemetery.'
added: Castana, I have sent you the contact details for the cemetery office.
I've sent them an email. Thanks.
You need grave account register 33 amount paid £2 - 11s- 6 d
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Thanks Dobfarm,
I've emailed Northumberland to see if they have any male born on the 4 Aug between the years 1885 and 1891 (which should fit in with the various years we have for him).
Ive asked if they have baptism records as well as GRO indexes.
So hopefully we may get something back from that?
Thanks for your help.
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Thanks Dobfarm,
I've emailed Northumberland to see if they have any male born on the 4 Aug between the years 1885 and 1891 (which should fit in with the various years we have for him).
Ive asked if they have baptism records as well as GRO indexes.
So hopefully we may get something back from that?
Thanks for your help.
Hi Castana
Bear in mind though! the Birth date 4 Aug on a birth certificate or army record and a baptism date will be different this could be in most cases months after the same year of the birth or early the next year- in a few cases years later
Big thanks to the moderators (Heywood & admin) help with posting advice
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Hi
I've been to Failsworth cemetery and found John Seymour's age 37 grave in Section G row K grave no 9 but there is no head stone
For your ref
http://www.twbaird.co.uk/cemplans/fails.html
The map of the cemetery shows section 'G' with two round abouts at top of each corner looking from the bottom of Section 'G'
Using the right hand round about corner of section 'G' count in 5 rows down from the top path and 9 graves in from the right hand path.
Some stones are numbered at the back of the head stones
The head stone at the side of John Seymour is Thomas Lomas number G K 8 the one in front of the is G L 8 and the one behind G J 8 but all graves in G L 9 - G K 9 -G J 9 have no headstones
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Hi
I've been to Failsworth cemetery and found John Seymour's age 37 grave in Section G row K grave no 9 but there is no head stone
For your ref
http://www.twbaird.co.uk/cemplans/fails.html
The map of the cemetery shows section 'G' with two round abouts at top of each corner looking from the bottom of Section 'G'
Using the right hand round about corner of section 'G' count in 5 rows down from the top path and 9 graves in from the right hand path.
Some stones are numbered at the back of the head stones
The head stone at the side of John Seymour is Thomas Lomas number G K 8 the one in front of the is G L 8 and the one behind G J 8 but all graves in G L 9 - G K 9 -G J 9 have no headstones
Thank you very much.
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Newbiggin Northumberland Electoral registers- 1905 to 1913
You'll have to register
https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-3QW%3A410157186%3Fcc%3D1918635
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I've check the Oldham evening chronicle for Deaths for the last weeks of Dec 1926 to the end of Jan 1927 and there was no entry of John Seymour's death (Burial date at Failsworth cem 10 Th Jan 1927 from their records)
I also checked the electoral registers Failsworth for 1910 and (1911 -to 1912 missing ) 1913 at 5 Ash St and there was no record of John Seymour, I also checked the eligible visiting out of county voters list and again nothing in 1913.
All I can say is lets hope the death certificate 1927 show the address as meaning something to you.
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Thank you ever so much Dobfarm ;D
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Newbiggin Northumberland Electoral registers- 1905 to 1913
You'll have to register
https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-3QW%3A410157186%3Fcc%3D1918635
I'm registered on Family Search, but every time I click on a year, it comes up with a message saying no image?
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All I can suggest! is go to your nearest (In your case 'Barrow') Latterday staints family history centre (library). Take (or print off) the link info with you as they will access the link!
One thing about LDS is they are good at finding deceased ancestors to re-baptize them as part of their religion and will try too help you if they can. (They may make small charges to hire films/fiche if they need to order in stock). Also they have massive computer data stock.
Also write to family history societies near New beggin.
Last if you put in google maps---Newbeggin Northumberland---- you'll see there is another Newbeggin inland besides the Newbeggin bay seaside town. This is a very small complex of buildings and could be in the realms of a small hamlet village parish near as a place of abode in the parish
Fictional parish for example
Parish of Toytown
entry
Ie;_ John son of John Seymoor adode Newbeggin
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Make what you will of this (Bearing mind is is the baptism date not the birth date)
From Famiily search
John Seymour 10 Apr 1883 baptism Shotley-Bridge, Durham, father's name: John Cook Seymour mother's name: Mary
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Durham Records Online site and says:
Shotley is adjacent to the County Durham parishes of Edmundbyers, Muggleswick, and Medomsley, and the Northumberland parishes of Bywell St. Peter and Whittonstall, and many residents of these places used Shotley for christenings. Residences (adodes) mentioned include Acton, Airyholme, Allensford, Baybridge, Birkenside, Black Hedley, Black Hedley port, Blanchland, Boleshares, Brown Hill(s), Bullion House, Burn House, Burn Mill, Burnt Shields Haugh, Bywell, Common Crook, Cowbires, Cronkley, Crooked Oak, Durham Field, Eddis Bridge, Emley, Fairle (Fairl, Fairley), Field House, Fine House, Gingleshaugh, Greenhead, Grey Mare Hill and Pit, High Fotherley, High and Low Waskerley, Hill Top, Hole Row, Lains or Lanes Lonning, Letch(es), Lingey Field, Little Black Hedley, Mill Shields, Minsteracres, Mosswood, New Snods, Newbiggin, Newbiggin Hope, Newfield, North and South Snods, Orchard Field, Penshields, Pit Hill, Redwell Hall, Royal Oak, Shotley, Shotley Bridge, Shotley Field, Sir Williams Lodge, Snods, Summerfield, Sunnyside(<-Nearest village to Newbeggin complex in google maps), Unthank, Wall House, Wallish Walls, Waskerley, Whittonstall, and Wood House
strawberrymivvy
15-02-2011, 03:50 AM
Good luck. :)
Dobby
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There is a private tree on Ancestry with that John in it.
Heather
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Yer! I've seen them trees before!
Square peg, round holes and a sledge hammer ;D ;D ;D
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The owner of the tree has several documents attached to it. Might be worth checking out.
Heather
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Hi Heather
Worth a try ! ;)
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Thank you. :)