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looking for Butterlys in louth (needle in haystack)
my great Grandfather was Patrick Butterly (born in Dublin)
on the 1911 census (Butterly spelt Buttlery) but no sign on the 1901 census
his father was a William Butterly, married to a Teresa Butterly (Craven)
any help would be appreciated
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Is this your Patrick in 1911 census?
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Drumcondra_Rural__Part_of/Ballystruan/26438
Living in Dublin and born in Dublin so where's the County Louth connection?
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older topic on Patrick on the Dublin board :
patrick ,william butterly (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,475235.0.html)
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thats him
as far as i know from my mother, now passed, the family came from louth
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According to the census Teresa was born Dublin, and there's no sign of William or her 2nd husband to see where they were born...
Have you located a marriage for Teresa and William ?
Shane
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Moving this to the Dublin board for the moment, as there's no definite link to Louth yet, so I think the marriage and 1901 census search are probably top of the list of searches.
Leinster Moderator
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ok
the first husband i think was sheriden
its very sketchy at the moment as the entries for the children on the 1911 census dont make sense
i.e. nieces where they should be grandchildren
its all very blurry at the mo
a lot of documents belonging to my mum were burned after her death for some reason
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My reading of that census was that William Butterly was Teresa's first husband, 2nd husband was surname Sheridan - both husbands deceased. Agree with your interpretation of the children's status..
Looks like Ballystruan townland may be missing from the online 1901 census at the moment...
Do you have birth certs for Patrick or any of his siblings ?
just wondering if the were living in the same part of Co. Dublin back then
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There's are just a couple of possible matches for William's death on the BMD Index. Might be worth checking them out , particularly the last two :
William Butterley deaths 1870 to 1911 (https://www.familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Awilliam~%20%2Bsurname%3Abutterley~%20%2Bdeath_year%3A1870-1911~&collection_id=1408347)
place of death and informant might help confirm a connection and at least give you an approximate year of birth.
Ballystruan townland is just south of Dublin Airport and consists of just over 100 acres and is in Santry civil parish.
Shane
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possibility for Teresa's 2nd marriage from the BMD Index :
Name: Teresa Craven
Registration district: Dublin North
Event type: Marriage
Quarter and year Apr-Jun 1883
Volume : 2 / Page: 481
Also on the same page is a Terera Butterley, and a John Sheridan. Second marriages often listed maiden surname and surname from any previous marriages, and indexed under both.
It's the right area for Santry, and fit's with the children's births listed in the other thread. If it's correct this further narrows down the timeframe for William's death, making this one the most likely :
Name: William Butterly
Registration district: Dublin North
Event type: Death
Quarter and year: Jan-Mar 1878
Reported Age: 44 (est. year of birth 1834)
Volume: 2 / Page : 448
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thanks for the info
i will check it out
the house the census was taken in ballystruan is the house i lived in also
its still there, my brother owns it now, as far as my mother knew it was a land league house
thanks again
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There are a few Craven entries on Griffith's a bit closer to the city at Margaret's Civil parish and a possible baptism for Teresa on the pay-website at RootsIreland. Based on the free index search it appears that the baptism took place in 1841 in Clontarf RC parish with parents Patrick & Mary. If that 2nd marriage for Teresa mentioned earlier is correct then you check if this baptism fits based on her father's name on the cert.
No sign that I see of the marriage of William and Teresa on the RootsIreland index in any of the Dublin, Meath or Louth parishes. The only matches showing up for a William Butterley baptism around the correct time are in Co. Dublin and Meath. Both are a little earlier than that death would suggest and in 1828. It may be that both his baptism and the marriage took place in a parish where the records start slightly too late, or are not currently included on RootsIreland.
Shane