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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => US Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Gsj on Tuesday 12 February 13 15:54 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I'm trying to establish if the Sheppard A Jones and his wife Sarah listed in 1940 census are related to me. My Sheppard was Born 1871 Ballbrennan, Wexford Ireland to father Robert Disney Jones and mother Sarah Spencer Cooke. I do not have any records of a move to America.
They show up on Census of 1910 in Rockland New York, 1920 in New York and in the 1940 census at house 323 on East 69 Street.
I have 5 chrildren, Sarah (B1907), Robert (B1908), Mary (B1912), Albert (B1914) and Charles (B1916).
Does anyone have information on how I could find death records and if these record the father/ mother's name in the US. Any other assistance would be most welcome.
Regards
GSJ
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1910 census says arrived in U.S. 1896- and wife in 1895 so likely married in U.S.:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MPBY-Q1L
Checking N.Y. marriage index shows this record:
Sheppard A. Jones, Aug 14 1904 Manhattan, certificaite number 17887 (bride- Sarah A. Crehan)
Each U.S. state keeps it's own vital records (births, deaths, marriages) and usually parents are named. If a death record isn't found then the above marriage will hopefully list the details.
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Sheppard Jones born 3 April 1871 Wexford, Ireland:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F5H6-1FJ
Naturalization petition filed 28 Oct.1928: Sheppard Albert Jones born 3 April 1871 Ireland, residing ar 1623 Avenue A., watchman, arrived 24 June 1896 on "Majestic" which left Queenstown 17 June, wife Sarah born 13 Nov.1874 Ireland. Five children: Sarah born 6 Apr.1906 N.Y.; Robert born 10 June 1907 N.J.; Mary born 21 Mar.1910 N.Y.; Albert born 6 June 1913 N.Y.; Charles born 23 Sept.1915 NY.
Looks like a good match :)
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Aghadowey,
Many thanks. Super quick response.
I have the details from familysearch but none of it confirms that the Sheppard in US is the same Sheppard from Wexford. The children names give strong support as they are all historic family names. The details for the naturalization petition is most welcome.
You mention the marriage cert. Are these available online are is it a paid service?
Also would you have any clues to following the children and getting closer to present day?
Thanks again
Glen
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Sarah's naturalization papers say that she was born Ruchestown, Ireland on 15 Nov. 1874 & her husband Sheppard was born Ennis Covily, Ireland on 3 Apr. 1871. Marriage date was as above. Her maiden name looks like Sarah Agnes Orehan. She came to the US on the Lucania on 12 May 1895.
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Shellyesq,
When I first read your response, I was despondent. End to connection to this Sheppard.
Then I recognized that Sarah Agnes last name is actually Crehan. No big deal you say. But what if Sheppard's born read Enniscorthy. That is where it would have been registered if it's my man. Am I grasping at straws or is this a possible/ probable that your Ennis Covily should read Enniscorthy??
Regards
Glen
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It's typewritten, so I'm pretty sure I'm reading it correctly, but it's entirely possible that it was spelled incorrectly. The information was probably coming from Sarah, and she may have been unfamiliar with the town.
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Sarah's birthplace Rochestown in County Cork?
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Posts on the internet state that Robert Disney Jones died in 1895. Sheppard's immigration was in 1896. Sheppard could have left Ireland after his father's passing? It also looks like your Sheppard's brothers left Ireland, so it is quite possible that the man you've found could be your Sheppard.
Regarding Ennis Covily / Enniscorthy: During the past couple of years, I've come across several (American) records that have errors with Irish place names. Perhaps the person taking the information wasn't as thorough or careful as he/she could have been?
Have you tried to find obituaries for Sheppard's children? More clues might be provided in an obituary.
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All,
Thank you very much for your assistance.
Yes i beleive thsat Sarah's record would read Rochestown and I believe that the Sheppard is the one I'm searching for. The birth date being the same along with the similarities with Enniscorthy makes the probability very high. Another source did not have a Sheppard in the family but did have an Albert. All too much of a concidence. Sheppard Albert.
Any ideas where to go finding death record for Sheppard and Sarah?
Regards
Glen
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There are a number of Sarah Jones on the death index at www.italiangen.org, but I'm not sure if any of the options seem to really fit her age-wise. I don't see a likely Sheppard either. Unfortunately, there's a bit of a gap for online coverage between the death index on there, which goes to 1948, and the Social Security Death Index, which mainly covers from 1962 forward.
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Using the dates of birth for the children (on page one), I don't see the males on the social security death index. Is there a chance they relocated to where Sheppard's brothers were living?
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What relation (if there was one) was Sheppard to Robert Disney Jones (1847-1940), please? I see that R.D. Jones died in 1940.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0svz/
(The write-up can be found in the second column from the right)
Just throwing out an idea, since we haven't yet found the family in America after 1940, but could Sheppard and his family have relocated after the death of R.D. Jones? According to information on the internet, it appears Robert D. and his wife, Sarah Fanny, did not have any children. Sarah Fanny apparently died in 1936. Their possessions may have been distributed to family members. ???
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Hi Lisa.
Robert Disney Jones (Jnr) B1846 was the eldest brother of Sheppard. Indeed they did not have any children and from what has recently come to our attention, his estate was distributed to his siblings and a nephew.
I have been looking to get a copy of his will and the information you have given will assist me in that.
Given that Sheppard was 70 in 1940, I'm not sure that he'd have moved(total conjecture on my part)
Keep the theories comming.
Glen
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I don't have access to the 1940 U.S. census (at the moment). Has anyone found Sheppard's children in the U.S. in 1940?
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There is a 1946 Manhattan telephone directory here: http://www.evendon.net/PGHLookups/Manhattan1946M.htm I didn't see Sheppard. There were some Sarahs, but none seemed to be at the address they were at in 1940.
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Guys,
Thanks for all your help. Unfortunately for the moment, the trails seems to have gone cold. You never know when some new information comes to light. If it does, I may come back here to gather further info.
Thanks again
Glen