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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Devon => Topic started by: SPARHAM on Tuesday 12 February 13 13:32 GMT (UK)
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I have had so much help with Philip on the Norfolk forum but now he brings me to Devon.
Philip Henry Mills is my 3 x Great Uncle. He was born in Pulham St Mary in 1797 and died in 1876 in Newton Abbott. Philip was married to Susannah Mllls nee Rodway. They had 2 daughters (mentioned in my 4 x Great Grandfather, Dr Ebenezer Mills also born in Norfolk).
I can only find one census that mentions him and that is the 1871 census which has him down as Philip Henry Miles. His daughters, Susanna and Julia seemed to have been farmed out so to speak. Susana appears in the 1841C as living with her father Charles Andre Mills. Charles never married and had no children. In all of the censuses mentioned Susanna, the information is the same.
Julia appears in the 1841C as living with her grandmother Susanna (aka Sarah) and I can find nothing of Julia anywhere after that.
A helpful researcher on Roots found a marriage for Fridericus Mills and Anna Maria Hauswald in 1859 in Germany, it has Philip and Susannah as parents. I can find nothing more of Fred.
They had 2 servants in the 1871C in Devon, Elizabeth Smith b 1851 in Cheriton and Mary Hone b. 1851 in Moortown Devon.
If anyone knows of Philip and Susannah when they were in Devon, I would love to hear from you.
SPARHAM
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A bit confused - you say that Philip Henry Mills and Susanna had 2 daughter - Susanna and Julia
You then say that in 1841 - daughter Susanna was with her father Charles who never married and had no children??
His daughters, Susanna and Julia seemed to have been farmed out so to speak. Susana appears in the 1841C as living with her father Charles Andre Mills. Charles never married and had no children
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I'm confused too Carole. I have proof that Susanna was the child of Philip and Susanna (and a lot of help from this site with this). My 4 x Great Grandfather (Philip and Charles' father) mentioned the 2 girls in his Will and stating that Charles Andre Mills was without issue. This is totally confusing. It really looks like the kids were given to relatives. I cannot find Philip in any UK census except the 1871C and it does not look like he went abroad either. Very confusing ???
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SPARHAM
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I think this is adding to the confusion:
Susana appears in the 1841C as living with her father Charles Andre Mills.
There's no census describing her as Charles' daughter, or is there? The 1841 doesn't state relationships between members of a household.
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I cannot find Philip in any UK census except the 1871C and it does not look like he went abroad either.
Julia Fanny Mills was christened 1832 Birmingham, Fridericus Guilelmus Mills (Frederick William Mills) was married Dom Katholisch, Mainz, Rheinhessen, Hesse-Darmstadt in 1859 age 25 (born c1834 parents Philip Henry & Susanna) Perhaps Frederick was brought up in Germany, he may even have been born there.
I would think it worth investigating whether Philip Henry & Susanna were in Germany, he appears on the 1871 census in Devon as a 'Retired Merchant' especially as they appear to have left their daughters with family in England.
Rosie
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To avoid duplication on Charles Andre Mills
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,635149.msg4828831.html#msg4828831
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Rosie. Lovely to hear from you again. Yes Germany must be the next step.
Regarding Susanna's relation to Charles Andre, in some census, she is down as his daughter. However perhaps some research in Germany must now be the next step.
Thanks for your help and to you to Rosie
SPARHAM
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This doesn't help a lot, but in 1841 could Phillip be in Edgbaston in the household of James and Mary Rodway? He is aged 40 (James and Mary are 30 and 20) and both he and James Rodway show "M" as occupation -- merchant? James would presumably be a relation on Phillip's wife's side. The only other person in the household is a servant, i.e. no Susannah Mills wife of Phillip.
(Edgbaston is where Philip and Susanna Rodway married in 1823.)
Also just to note from the other thread (because I was looking around with the wrong date):
Julia Fanny Mills was christened 1832 1827 Birmingham
edit - James B and Marianne Rodway in 1851 and 1861 are in Edgbaston where he is a commercial traveller and then a brewer's maltster. Their children include eldest daughter Susanna (c1842) and daughter Annie Julia (c1852). But there are no Mills-s with them. He was James Barron Rodway who married Mariane Pensam 1841 Birmingham.
Have you seen the items in the London Gazette?
1823:
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/17892/pages/177
Notice is hereby given that the Partnership lately subsisting between us the undersigned, Philip Henry Mills, John Rodway the younger, and Josiah Ashford, of Birmingham, in the County of Warwick, as Merchants, under the firm of Mills, Rodway, and Ashford, was this day dissolved by mutual consent ...
1828:
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/18469/pages/938
- same thing re partnership between Philip Henry Mills and John Rodway the younger.
So he was in business with the Rodway family before he was in bed with one. :)
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Janey bang on!!!! What a load of helpful info you have given to me. Like the comment about business before bed lol.
Thank you so much for your hard work.
SPARHAM
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You're welcome. :)
I wondered about two possibilities for Susannah. Long-term estrangement, or long-term illness. Both would explain placing the children with other family members, Philip being in the classic situation at the time of single father not able to care for young children. (A widower would have remarried.) The one daughter being with maternal grandparents might suggest there wasn't a break with the Rodway family despite the dissolution of the partnerships.
edit - Following up on that last hunch, in 1861 there is an "S M", female, born c1803 in Birmingham, Patient, "Pauper Lunatic Asylum for the Borough of Birmingham". A bit of a stretch, but maybe a possibility.
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Hi Janey
Once again thank you so much for your info, this could well be true and really worth a thought.
Susannah was born in 1835 and the family were wealthy so I don't think SM 1803 applies although I don't think anything is impossible so I will certainly do a bit of research on her.
Sparham :)
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I thought the same re the family's socioeconomic status -- I wonder what other options there would have been for someone with a serious mental illness? (Not to mention that "promiscuous" women sometimes ended up in asylums, not that I'm mentioning it for any particular reason!)
Them being out of the country could explain the absences in 51 and 61, but with him in Edgaston in 41, one has to wonder where Susanna was. It's always possible they were based in Europe and he was home on a business trip and stayed with family (looks like James Rodway was Susanna's nephew, I think), or spent extended periods in England while she lived abroad ... but without the daughters? A puzzler!
Oh, just to note a typo in your post:
Susannah was born in 1835 1805
-- now actually, she was baptised in 1805, and gave an age that = 1804 or 1805, in 1871.
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Hi Janey
Philip has a sister Susannah and I have her born in 1815 but I have no other info on her. I wonder if she is the same Susannah b. 1803 that you mention. What puts me off of the description is "pauper" which this family certain wearn't. Philip's daughter Susannah was born in 1835. This is a great puzzler for sure and thank you for your help and observations on this. I have the bit between my teeth and must delve into Susannah Snr
SPARHAM :o
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Hullo,
Interested to see your conversation as I am also descended from this family.
My gt grandmother was Elizabeth Agnes Rodway bn 1848 and she was living with her parents at Bristol Rd in 1851.
Her grandmother was Susannah Rodway nee Barron and Susannah Mills would have been named after her.
Will have to check my research but I know that one of the Rodway girls married a Belgian man.
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Hullo, interested to see this thread as I am also descended from the Rodway family and all the names are familiar.
I think I recall that Susannah Mills was looking after her grandmother Susannah Rodway nee Barron in 1841.
Also that one of the Rodway girls married a Belgian, in Belgium.
My gt grandmother was Elizabeth Agnes Rodway/Shear, another grand-daughter of Susannah B and daughter of James Barron Rodway and Marianne Pensam.