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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Eilleen on Monday 11 February 13 16:34 GMT (UK)
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I have George Bint born Shropshire ,England abt 1823.
He married had 3 children but in abt 1879 his job took him to Australia, I googled Melbourne Mint, and George is mentioned, it says,
A hydraulic metal press was designed and built in the workshops by George Bint during 1880-81.
I would love to know what happened to George , I have the history of the family He left behind , but not his story, hoping someone maybe able to put meat on his bones,
Eilleen.
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i would make contact with the mint of australia directly for furthering info and seek opinions from the state library of victoria, the nla, trove..... post office directories ie sands and mcdougall may reveal addies of his abodes......
;)
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Some articles which mention his work at the mint
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5826905
Mr. George Bint, for many years foreman of the Derwent Foundry, has been sent
out to superintend the erection of the machinery, and he' has already commenced to
put up some of the heavier portions of it.
Designer of hydraulic machinery George Dint ::)
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5984065
Correction to say it should be George Bint not Dint
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5988739
regards,
Ros
adding : his salary was 235 pounds :) (at the bottom of page - reported in NZ !)
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=TC18720903.2.10&l=mi&e=-------10--1----0--
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Did he return to England? Or should we be looking for his death and perhaps another family?
regards,
Ros
(I did look for a will on pro-vic but no ...)
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Victorian Sands Directory
1880 BINT George 77 Adderley st WM (West Melbourne?) (Islay Bank Cottages)
1881 BINT George, 77 Adderley St WM
1882 BINT George, 77 Adderley St (Islay Bank Cottages)
And possibly ....?
1888 BINT George, McCracken St Kensington
1897 BINT George 42 Ardoch St
1898 BINT George 42 Ardoch St Essendon
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Hello,
Not sure if this is of help by on TROVE,
The Argus Newspaper 02 Oct 1906 page 1.
DEATHS
BINT: On the 27th September at Ballart, Margaret,widow of the late George Bint, and beloved mother of Mrs. E.C.N. Hayward, Toorak.
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Hello,
Another TROVE, The Argus, 6 May 1899 page 1
DEATHS
bint: On the 19th March at Northampton, England. Geo. Bint, age 75 years, late of Royal Mint, Melbourne, beloved father of Mrs. E.C. Hayward, Essendon.
Bonnie
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Burial for Margaret
BINT MARGARET age 59 28/09/1906
BINT MARGARET
Area : RCC
Roman Catholic C
Section : -4
Section 4
Row : 1
Grave : 14
http://ballaratcemeteries.com.au/php/search.php
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Hi
George and Margaret's daughter, Letitia, married Ernest Chas Newton Hayward in Victoria in 1890, registration number 7563. I am searching TROVE to see if there are any descendants
Bonnie
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Burial for Margaret
BINT MARGARET age 59 28/09/1906
BINT MARGARET
Area : RCC
Roman Catholic C
Section : -4
Section 4
Row : 1
Grave : 14
http://ballaratcemeteries.com.au/php/search.php
A couple more bits on MARGARET's burial
She is alone at that locatation . There is a MI but says simply
MARGARET BINT died 27th September 1906
Her last address was South Street Ballarat and she was a widow aged 59.
A second entry in the register says that the site was purchased on 9/4/1907.
Sue
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Free bmd
Deaths Mar 1899 (>99%)
BINT George 75 Northampton volume 3b page 46
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Hi,
George & Margaret Bint's daughter, Letitia who married Ernest Charles Newton Hayward apparently died in 1962, Ernest in 1944 both in Victoria. According to a public family tree on A***y they had 4 children George 1891, Charles 1892, Minnie, 1895 and Ula 1897. However there is no further info on George & Margaret Bint.
A Letitia Bint birth was registered in 1872 Melbourne, Victoria to parents George Bint and mother Margaret nee Ryan. If this is your George, it means he either arrived 1872 or earlier which seems to be the case as his name is mentioned in The Argus 21 Aug 1872, page 5, as being 'Geo. Bint, foreman of machinery, paid 235 pounds' as the salary paid by the Royal Mint, Melbourne
Bonnie
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Possible arrival
Unassisted Inward Passenger Lists to Victoria
BINT GEORGE age 40 AUG 1869 ship HECUBA B
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Hi,
See that C1861 RG9/2169, 103/42/235 at 4 Liverpool St. Warwickshire, has a George Bint aged 37 years born Shropshire, occupation 'Steam Engine Maker' with wife Maria, and son Joshua 9, daughter Mary 7.
FreeBDM lists a marriage of a George Bint to a Maria Sanders Q4/1847 26/217 Bromyard.
Wonder what happened to Maria?
Bonnie
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Giblet; Think your right as the West Coast Times Issue 1252, 27 September 1869 has an article about the arrival of the machinery for the Victorian Mint on the ship 'Hecuba' ... seems obvious to me that George Bint would accompany the precious cargo!
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I cant find him on the outward passenger list from Vic heading back to England tho :-\
Yes it appears he stayed close by the cargo ;D
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I wonder if this is her in 1871
name: Maria Bint
age: 44
Noted as Wife born Clifton Upon Teame Worcesterhire
registration district: Birmingham
county: Warwickshire
daughter Mary Bint 17 Stourbridge, Worcestershire
daughter Ann Maria Bint 10 B'Ham, Warwick
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Hi Glblet. I can't seem to find when George's first wife, Maria, passed away and/or I presume she didn't accompany George when he arrived on 'Hecuba' in 1869
... but hang on a mom ... there was a Maria Bint who died in Q1/1896 6c/180 Worcester.
So did Maria stayed in England and George was naughty and married Margaret Ryan :-\
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Maybe he was naughty ;D
Im just trying to find Maria on the 1881 census.
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Hi Giblet ... Well well well ... I think that you have found her C1871. On the C1861 it just shows that Maria was born Worcestershire and daughter Mary, then aged 7, also born W
Found Maria's son Joshua in, I think, a boarding school C1871
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Im having trouble finding Maria in 1881 :-[
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Me too :-\
I wonder what has happened to the person who originally posted this message ... he/she is missing all the fun ;D
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Do we have a marriage year for George Bint and Margaret in VIC?
The person who posted this is all tucked up in bed sleeping, i think she is from England.
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No, I haven't found as yet a marriage of a George Bint to a Margaret Ryan in Victoria
Only the birth of Letitia Bint in 1872 with above parents names
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OH so maybe they never married because he was already married :-\ Margaret might just used his last name.
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Well found Bonnie and Giblet :) :)
I should have kept looking ...
cheers,
Ros
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Hi G. Well there's an idea ... and if so, wonder if daughter Letitia knew :o
Well, that was an interesting hunt ... anyhow, I am hot on the trail of tracking down the father of my great grandmother and think I may have found him in Scone ... Problem is, her mother wasn't married to him at the time of her birth, he was married to someone else >:( and there is no father's name shown on her BC, of which she has two ??? but she did give his name and occupation when she married ...
Been fun doing 'ping pong' researching with you. Regards Bonnie
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I just had a thought ;D
I wonder if a will for George Bint can be found, it would make interesting reading if there is one.
I've checked the VIC archives online and couldnt find one.
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Hi G ... good idea but if he died in England, maybe we should look there? Also, I have just noticed that the death notice of Margaret Bint said, 'wife of George Bint' ... obviously their daughter Letitia would have put it into the newspaper so if M&G weren't married, she didn't know or was keeping up appearances ???
The other thing is, with her father dying in England, someone must have told Letitia for her to put a death notice in the Melbourne paper .... interesting.
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Bingo ... Probate of George BINT, 73 Allen Rd. Northampton, pensioner, died 18 March 1899.
Probate Northampton 27 March to MARGARET BINT, widow. Effects 84 pounds and 10 shillings
Gosh, what the heck did he do with his money? ... he was earning at fortune at the Melbourne Mint !!
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Thanks Bonnie, so he left what little he had to Margaret.
It is interesting ..... why was he in England and Margaret here. Or was she in England with him when he died and then come back to Australia. Oh the unanswered questions! :D
His not my ancestor yet i want to know what, if, how, when and the rest of it ;D
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Hi G ... so that means that he did marry Margaret ??? legally ??? but where the heck is their marriage registration ... and therefore divorced Maria ???
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I dont think they had to be legally married to him to leave his estate to her.
The daughters birth cert. would also be interesting.
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Yes, agree that the daughter's birth certificate would be an interesting read, so too both her parents death certificates.
A wild thought is that George got into some sort of scandal, with the Mint, and hot footed it back to England ... and it could be the reason why Margaret went up to Ballarat, (where she died), which seems a bit strange seeing that their married daughter was living in Melbourne.
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George and Margarets daughter??
Cemetery SPRINGVALE BOTANICAL CEMETERY
Given Names LETITIA
Surname HAYWARD
Religion NONE
Date of Service 24/07/1962
Burial Type CREMATED
Location Details AGONIS, INDIVIDUAL ROSE, BED 51 ROSE 11
Public Grave Y/N N
Tenure Date IN PERPETUITY - FOR ALL TIME
Cemetery SPRINGVALE BOTANICAL CEMETERY
Given Names ERNEST CHARLES N
Surname HAYWARD
Religion NONE
Date of Service 27/03/1944
Burial Type CREMATED
Location Details AGONIS, INDIVIDUAL ROSE, BED 51 ROSE 11
Public Grave Y/N N
Tenure Date IN PERPETUITY - FOR ALL TIME
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Cremated at SPRINGVALE BOTANICAL CEMETERY and sharing the exact location with LETITIA and ERNEST
INA MINNIE McMAHEN
Date of Service 19/03/1985
HARTLEY THOMAS RAVEN McMAHEN
Date of Service 12/07/1977
Sue
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Deaths
HAYWARD Letitia
Father Bent George
Mother Unknown CARMODY
Death Place AUBU
Age 90
Year 1962
Reg Number 14818
MCMAHEN Ina Minnie
Father Haywood Ernest
Mother:Letitia
Death Place FRAN
Age 89
Year 1985
Reg Number: 06639
MCMAHEN Hartley Thomas R
Father Thomas Raven
Mother: Ophelia UNKNOWN
Death Place: MTEL
Age 80
Year 1977
Reg 15522
Sue
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Margaret's first marriage
CARMODY Margaret
To RYAN Thomas Stephen
Her Birth Place: TIPPERARY
Year 1866
Reg 3743
Sue
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Possible arrival for Margaret
Index to Assisted British Immigration
CARMODY MARGARET 20 DEC 1858 JOHN AND LUCY
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There were eight births to THOMAS RYAN and MARGARET (nee Carmody)
These were mostly in the BALLARAT area and can be specifically listed if required .
The years are of the births are significant
1867
1868
1870
1873
1874
1876
1878
1879
??? ::) ??? ::)
Sue
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In post #1 the poster stated
I would love to know what happened to George , I have the history of the family He left behind , but not his story, hoping someone maybe able to put meat on his bones,
Well she has got meat now ;D It will take her a month to get through all this :D :D
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Hi G ... I agree with you ... 'meat she wanted, meat is served!!!' Seems to me that its all gone a bit off track from George now ::)
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Yes i agree, im waiting until she goes through this and see if there is anything else she may want.
So so so easy to go of track tho :D
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Ros, Bonnie and Sue :)
Good morning from overcast Blighty,
I am so grateful to your detective research, as you say it goes a wee bit off the meat of George Bint's bones ;) but the main think is you sound as though you enjoyed the search.
I would have loved to have been right up there with you as the events unfolded. but this was not possible due to a sudden crisis ???
George Bint's disappearing has been a really must found out what happened to Marie's father ,( Marie Haddelsey nee Bint) but I kept putting it off, the family have always been meticulous in keeping letters, receipts etc etc , never a mention of George Bint , having said that George and Maria's son Joshua Bint was a school teacher at Horncastle and around that area , so for all of their lives Joshua Bint and his sister Marie Haddelsey nee Bint only lived a few miles from each other , I do believe they never had anything to do with each other, when Maria ( Wife of George Bint died , she left everything to her daughter Maria Haddelsey , none to her other children or grandchildren ,
enough of the rant ;D
I am going to go slowly through all you have found and add information to my story,
I think I sent a pic of George Bints wife ???Maria Sanders to Rootschat age's ago , I will stick a link up if I can find it again,
BIG BIG thank you to you all :-* Eilleen.
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,588475.msg4394961.html#msg4394961
Hope above link works ,
I think I would have maybe run away to sea as well, or maybe she looks bitter because of what George Bint did to her ??? ???
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Hello Eilleen ... trust that your sudden crisis has been resolved and all has turned out OK.
The unveiling of 'George Bint of the Mint' was an interesting journey and I feel that there is a lot more information (TROVE site has many articles) you will find out about this very talented man.
What has me intrigued is how Letitia, the daughter of George Mint and (supposedly) wife Margaret, found out that her father had passed away in England? and that when George died, he had so little money after having such a well paid job with The Melbourne Mint.
Thanks for some background on the Bint family and also the link to photo of Maria ... one frightening looking Victorian Type Lady to me!. Bonnie
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Hi Bonnie, yes thank you, crisis over, :)
I have just been reading through the findings that you detectives routed out, I have a query ::)
I think I read this correct ,
Margaret Carmody, went over to Australia 1858.
married Thomas Steven Ryan in 1866.
had 7 children by him between the years 1867 and 1879,
but Letitia Bint was born in 1872 . am I getting something muddled ???
one piece that fits, George Bint's mother was called Letricia or something similar.
Eilleen, having a day off work and thinking she will be on the computer most of the day ;D
Housework ??? what housework :-*
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Hello Eilleen ... sorry but I lost track of all that story when the Margaret Carmody bit came into the picture ???
What I found was Letitia's birth record in Melbourne which showed parents as George Bint (love it that it was Bint of the Mint ;D ) and a Margaret Ryan so where the heck Carmody came into it all, I don't know ??? Of course the other thing is that it looks like George & Margaret didn't actually get around to 'tying the knot' (well, no record found of it anyway) but if they did, Georgie was a naughty boy as he was already married to Maria !!
... and then George leaving his, few pennies, to MARGARET BINT .... and who wrote to Letitia in Melbourne (Australia) to tell her that her father died in England ???
If your interested, you can buy Letitia's birth certificate and Margaret's death certificate at
online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action
This is one very interesting story and would like to know how you get on... please do keep me in the loop. Good luck ... and it is now off to bed for me. Bonnie from Sydney.
PS .... More fun doing family research than 'mowing the carpet and bathing the kitchen floor'! ;D
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Hi
We cannot be certian that the found immigration record for a MARGARET CARMODY is the correct woman. It is not an uncommon Irish name after all.
The difficulty in the sequence of events is the birth of LETITIA in 1872 which is placed after 3 births to MARGARET CARMODY and THOMAS STEPHEN RYAN.
Following it there are a further 5 births to MARGARET and THOMAS RYAN.
I am not able to locate any further information about THOMAS STEPHEN RYAN after his registration as the father of the children.
It is noteworthy that LETITIA was born in Melbourne while all others were born around Ballarat which is also where MARGARET was buried. Seemingly she returned to family connections after GEORGE BINT returned to England and died there.
Some other items of interest.
ERNEST HAYWOOD and LETITIA were in Castlemaine the first time they appear on the
Electoral Roll
1903- Address Barker Street, Castlemaine
HAYWARD
Ernest Charles Newton- Hotelkeeper
Letitia HD
Mary Winifred Hd
1909- Address 44 Ardoch Streeet Essendon
HAYWARD
Ernest Charles W (sic) Traveller
Letitia HD
This as you see, was next door to GEORGE BINT's address in 1898.
Perhaps we can think that MARGARET was also at that address.
One of the children of Michael Ryan and Margaret Carmody joined the ww1 forces 1915.
MICHAEL JOSEPH RYAN. Born June 1879. His sister was his NOK and she was Margaret (Maggie)- married to Sheehan- of Gertrude Street Preston.
MICHAEL suffered from “Delusuional Insanity” and was mentally very unwell. You can read his digitised records at-
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/using/search/
He died in 67 aged 86. He seems to have been institutionalised
I will type up the birth details of the RYAN children tomorrow if you would like them.
Sue
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Hello Eilleen ... sorry but I lost track of all that story when the Margaret Carmody bit came into the picture
What I found was Letitia's birth record in Melbourne which showed parents as George Bint (love it that it was Bint of the Mint ) and a Margaret Ryan so where the heck Carmody came into it all, I don't know BONNIE
Bonnie the findings on the thread show this connection quite clearly.
MARGARET used her married name of RYAN in the registering of LETITIA's birth.
MARGARET's birth name was CARMODY as shown on her marriage to THOMAS STEPHEN and on the death registration for LETITIA which are all listed above.
Sue
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Thank you Sue,
I am just getting my head round what you have found for me,
I do love " meat on the bone " but sometimes it is hard to digest :P
must go for a coffee and a quick walk about , not use to sitting :)
Eilleen. who feels like she has found some new friends over night :-*
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Eilleen,
Here are the births to the RYANS -Letitia's half-siblings
Father listed as THOMAS RYAN
Mother listed as MARGARET (nee) CARMODY
Stephen 1867 at Learmonth #15910
Ellen Mary 1868 at Ball #13649
Mary Frances 1870 at Ball #13669
Margaret 1873 at Ball #471
Hanorah 1874 at Ball #20917
Margaret 1876 at Ball #7818
Stephen 1878 at Ball #6561
Michael Joseph 1879 at Ball. #20745
These are some early deaths.
RYAN Margaret
Father: Thomas
Mother: Margaret KERMODY(sic)
Age: 2
Birth Place: Ball
Year 1875
Reg 457
RYAN Honora
Father: Thomas
Mother: Margaret KERMODY(sic)
Age 4M
Birth Place Ball
Year 1875
Reg 474
RYAN Stephen
Father: Thomas
Mother: Margaret CARMOODY(sic)
Age 11W
Birth Place BALL
Year 1878
Reg 4107
As you can see the window for LETITIA's conception and birth was quite small , but perfectly possible I suppose.
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Eilleen,
This has come to my attention through further research and alters the whole picture.
The deceased children listed above are buried at Ballarat New Cemetery
They are together
Location- RCB 6.53
With them is
RYAN , MARGARET died 1/5/1881 aged 38-wife
CARMODY, Daniel died 28/11/1880 aged 28- miner
Deaths-
RYAN Margaret
Father: Michel Carmody
Mother: Ellen HAYES
Age 38
Death Place: BALLARAT
Year 1881
Reg 3444
CARMODY Danl
Father: Unknown
Mother:
Age 28
Birth Place TIPPERARY
Year 1880
Reg 9038
So ???
It seems there has been an extraordinary co-incidence of names, dates and places and I have been merrily misled . ::)
Once again it demonstrates there is no certainty without the sighting of actual certificates.
We are left with the simpler picture of GEORGE BINT finding a new partner in Australia - MARGARET- and having LETITIA in 1872. He returned to UK in later life and died there leaving what he had to her.
Much less complicated anyway, but .....!!?
Sue
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Hi Sue .
I 'm glad it was you that sorted that lot out ;D
and as you say, seems so much easier now :)
I really am thankful that genealogy makes folks addicted to searching for other people's families and not just their own :)
big cheer for genealogist everywhere :-*
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Hi Sue ...
If I am understanding your findings correctly, are you saying that Letitia Bint's mother Margaret RYAN died at Ballarat on 1st May 1881, aged 38 years? or have I lost the plot again ::)
I found in the Argus Newspaper, Melbourne 02 Oct 1906 page 1 a death notice placed by Letitia which reads 'BINT: On the 27th September at Ballarat, Margaret, widow of the late George Bint, and beloved mother of Mrs. E.C.N. Hayward, Toorak" and she too is buried in the Ballarat New Cemetery, location RCC, Section 4, Row 1 grave 14.
Would be pleased if you would set me straight on this one, thanks. Bonnie
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Hi Bonnie
My understanding now is that despite the string of co-incidences of names etc., The woman BINT married (or probably didn't really!) was not the the woman who had married THOMAS STEPHEN RYAN .
MARGARET RYAN had a number of children to her marriage in Ballarat and died there quite young and was buried with some of her infants in 1881.
MARGARET BINT, Letitia's mother, went to Ballarat and died there in 1906 after her "husband" GEORGE BINT returned to England and died there leaving his all to her.
I cannot figure why Margaret was RYAN on the birth reg of LETITIA and CARMODY on the death reg of LETITIA. Others may have asome further ideas. This is where I went in the wrong direction because MARGARET who married RYAN was nee CARMODY.
Sue
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Hi Sue .... so, when I originally said, 'this has all gone off track' when Margaret Carmody and Mr. Ryan came into the story, I was right.
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][/color] Looks to me that Eilleen has some hunting to do to find if George & Margaret ever married and will need to fork out a few pennies buying birth and death certificates if she is keen to resolve the story about George Bint, Margaret ?? and their daughter Letitia ... all rather interesting ... and I feel that there is more to find out about 'Mr Bint at The Mint' and when did he returned to England, did Margaret go too?
Hi Eilleen ... you may have already found this C1841 Piece 921, Folio 36 page 17. James Bint aged 40, Letitia 45, George 15, William 12. Shows George born Shropshire. Looks to me like George named his daughter after his mother ...
Bonnie
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Well, what you said was --
Hello Eilleen ... sorry but I lost track of all that story when the Margaret Carmody bit came into the picture ???
I understood this to mean you could not see the connection between the names MARGARET RYAN and MARGARET CARMODY in LETITIA's case (her birth and death registrations).
As I have said, I had gone on draw to conclusions which were incorrect though the essential co-incidence of names etc. was valid.
Sue
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I wonder if MARIA BINT and her daughters cam to Australia to visit GEORGE.
BINT MARIA aged 42 JUN 1873 QUEEN OF NATIONS B 319
with-
BINT MARY aged 18
BINT ANN MARIA aged 11
Sue
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Sue ... what a great find ... looks very promising to me that Maria and her two daughters arrived into Australia in 1873. Also found by Giblet, the three of them on C1871 ... Piece 3127, Folio 78 page number 10, with them living in Birmingham.
... now that would have been an interesting meeting she would have had with George when she turned up to find he had a 'lady friend' who gave birth to his baby daughter :o
Bonnie
PS ... if you had read my first and second posts, page 1, you would had seen when Margaret and George Bint had passed away along with death notices in newspapers for both, inserted by daughter Letitia ... it would have saved you a lot of un necessary effort and confusion ...
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Hi Eilleen ... just an interesting snippet ... published in the Sheffield Independent newspaper 10 Aug 1881 page 3, also Stamford Mercury 12 Aug page 1:
Marriage announcement of George & Maria's daughter: Marie to S.T. Haddelsey, a solicitor of Grimsby on 04 Aug at St. Oswald's Church Filey. It stated that she was the daughter of George Bint, Royal Mint, Melbourne, Australia.
Therefore, we know that George was still in Australia by at least 1881.
Bonnie
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Therefore, we know that George was still in Australia by at least 1881.
Bonnie
Yes, that's right.
Ros's reply #4 shows him listed in Melbourne from 1880 to 1898.
Sue
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Hi , from not a snowy Blighty but a sunny one :)
Sue , the find regarding Maria and daughters going over to Australia is amazing, more " meat on the bone " :) I just love it.
I tend to get pulled in to the females in my research, even the one's who are not related , i.e this Margret and her daughter are going to be next on my list :)
but at the moment I am going to try and stay focused on George Bint and his first family.
It was good to see Ann Maria aged 11 mentioned , I lost her at some point , where as Marie ( called Mary on the going over to Australia ) and her brother Joshua are well researched to there where abouts , I have so many questions buzzing in my head, I better take a deep breath look over what you have all found , log it, and not feel to guilty because I have done the ironing, washed the floor and vacumed bits of are home , so computer can have my attention. x x
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Victorian Sands Directory
1880 BINT George 77 Adderley st WM (West Melbourne?) (Islay Bank Cottages)
1881 BINT George, 77 Adderley St WM
1882 BINT George, 77 Adderley St (Islay Bank Cottages)
And possibly ....?
1888 BINT George, McCracken St Kensington
1897 BINT George 42 Ardoch St
1898 BINT George 42 Ardoch St Essendon
the last 3 addresses are they in England ??? or Australia. sorry if I sound thick, I really am not ;D
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Hi Eilleen ... my error, I should have re-read postings re George Bint still being in Australia until 1898, a year prior to his death.
It is interesting to see that he was in 'Bank Cottages' until 1882 (year Letitia born) then there is a George Bint in Kensington, then Ardoch Street, Essendon (both these places suburbs of Melbourne, Australia)
So, if it is the same George Bint, were the McCraken and Ardoch Sts addresses also 'Bank Cottages' or did he leave the Bank, or is it another George Bint ???
Bonnie
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ERNEST HAYWOOD and LETITIA Electoral Roll
1909- Address 44 Ardoch Streeet Essendon
HAYWARD
Ernest Charles W (sic) Traveller
Letitia HD
This as you see, was next door to GEORGE BINT's address in 1898.
Perhaps we can think that MARGARET was also at that address.
Sue Reply #48
Sue
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Thanks Sue for your posting in red print ... how did you know it was my favourite colour ;D
Bonnie
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Victorian Sands Directory
1880 BINT George 77 Adderley st WM (West Melbourne?) (Islay Bank Cottages)
1881 BINT George, 77 Adderley St WM
1882 BINT George, 77 Adderley St (Islay Bank Cottages)
And possibly ....?
1888 BINT George, McCracken St Kensington
1897 BINT George 42 Ardoch St
1898 BINT George 42 Ardoch St Essendon
the last 3 addresses are they in England ??? or Australia. sorry if I sound thick, I really am not ;D
Hi there,
I have access to an 1897 Suburban streets Directory for Melbourne.
Would this help?
Ardoch Street West Side(North Ward of Essendon) as per Sands 1897 includes
38, John C CHIVERS
40, George A RUDD
42, George BINT
44, Ernest C HAYWARD
So Ernest was next door to George in 1897 and they were both in Essendon, Victoria (Australia)
Cheers, JM (NSW Centric, but trying to follow the thread anyway :) and highlighted house nos 42 and 44 and occupants in a brown colour )
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That will be interesting for Eilleen. Residing close to each other earlier than we previously knew.
One cannot be certain they were "owned and purchased" properties, not rented, but I do note through research into the HAYWARD's, they clearly remained at the ARDOCH St. address for many years so possibly owned it.
Sue
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This is getting beyond My wildest hope's , love it,
I go to bed dreaming about this topic :)
I am now logging it all , and the picture is becoming clearer and clearer :)
Oh to be-able to have a natter to these people ::) but this is the next best thing :-*
Eilleen.
p.s is there anyway of finding out what date George Bint came back to England,
I am just about to order his death cert, will let you know what it say's when it arrives.
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p.s is there anyway of finding out what date George Bint came back to England, Eilleen
From this end in Australia I have not been able to locate it.
Records for shipping departures, though some exist, have not been recorded as closely as shipping arrivals.
Perhaps there is a source for arrivals at the UK end. ???
Others may have more advice for you. Meantime by looking at the dates of residency on the Electoral Roll in Australia and his date of death in England, you will be able to narrow down the time of departure.
Sue
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Certificates are always the most valuable component of a family tree and I'm sure GEORGE's will be a huge help to you.
For you interest some details about Australian certificates which are very comprehensive and in Victoria, not too dear :D
An uncertified image can be downloaded to your computer immediately upon payment of about Aus. $20.00. You will need the registration number which is often posted by the Rchat helper on the thread under discussion.
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage
This link shows what you may see on all Victorian certificates.
http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html
Sue
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Still waiting for George Bint's death cert :)
In the mean time found a piece on his son Joshua Bint back here in England ,
death .
Thomas Grayson Eno. aged 8 years.
1st qrt, Boston reg, 1876.
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Lincolnshire Chronicle, 7th April 1876.
Leake, An inquest was held at Leake , on Thursday afternoon last, before W Clegg esq, coroner, on view of the body of Thomas Grayson Eno, a little boy of eight years.
The affair caused a little interest in the neighbourhood, as a rumour was afloat that the deceased had died from the effects of being struck on the head by the villiage schoolmaster, Mr Bint, at who's school He was a scholar.- Supt Thoresby investigated the case. and Mr B B Dyer attended to watch the proceedings on behalf of the police.-Several witnesses were called, who were scholars of the school, and generally deposed to Mr Bint the school master, chastising the boy by boxing him on the head with his fists, also to their belief that the schoolmaster boxed him more than the other boys.
Deceased's health was good until June last, when He began to be sickly, and frequently vomited and was found dead in bed on the evening of the 28th ult.- Dr Atkinson of Benington,attended the boy and also made a post mortem examination of the body. He found that effusion of blood on the brain was the cause of death, but could not say that the effusion was caused by any external violence. The whole of the appearances found at his examination might have been caused by disease occurring in a natural way. He considered the boxing of a child's ears in a violent way a most dangerous practise, but having heard the evidence, He could not say that such violence had contributed to death in the present case. The small bruise He found on the scalp could not have been caused by a box on the ear,-
Mr Bint , who was present, having been cautioned by the Coroner, declined to give evidence.-The Coroner summed up the evidence, directing the attention of the jury to that given by the doctor, after which He said it was useless to prolong the inquiry, though they might express an opinion with regard to the system of correction practised in the parish school.- The jury retired. and after being absent some time. returned the following verdict;- " That Thomas Grayson Eno, on the 28th day of March 1876, died from effusion on the brain, but whether such effusion was caused or accelerated by violence at the hands of Joshua Bint, the schoolmaster of the parish of Leake, or from disease occurring in the natural way, there is not sufficient evidence before the jury to show ".- The coroner read the verdict of the jury to Mr Bint and in a few remarks advised him never to strike a boy on the head again.
Mr Bint said He never would.
certainly keeping me busy, finding things out ::)
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Still waiting for George Bint's death cert
Hard to be patient I imagine!
What an awfully sad story about the little boy. We will never know the truth, but it must have been very hard for the Bint family too.
Sue
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Just arrived home from work, and here it is , how exciting is one piece of paper :)
so Margret Bint ( his wife ::) was with him at his demise ,
so need to find when they came to old Blighty and when she went back.
would love to know why they came back to England, unless that was how she could inherit his very small ??? fortune.
Eilleen . My attachment iwas to large ::) ::) ::) not anymore :-*
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That is interesting indeed, Eilleen.
I am surprised at another thing shown on the certificate too....
Margaret was apparently illiterate. It is certainly a contrast to GEORGE's educational background.
Do you know the social and educational status of MARIA?
would love to know why they came back to England, unless that was how she could inherit his very small fortune Eilleen
She would not need to be resident in England to inherit, so that would not be a reason. I do suspect that although the cash was a small amount, George may have invested in property in Melbourne which was in the hands of his daughter and MARGARET and in their names. This way other "family" would have difficullty making claims on the estate.
Was JOSHUA still alive and were the daughters of GEORGE and MARIA married at Geroge's death?
Sue
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I am adding another thought here which is only speculative :)
George died of paraplegia. This being an impairment of lower body motor function.
If this condition was slow in its development, GEORGE may have needed assistance on the voyage to London and so MARGARET accompanied him. He may also have suspected his condition would not improve and had reasons for wishing to spend his last days in England.
Just thoughts anyway ;)
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All ways more questions :)
1, Have not found the parents of Maria Bint nee Sanders , I see from 1851 census onwards she is said to have come from Worchestershire , born abt 1824. more searching :)
Joshua Bint married in 1875, about 6 months before that little boy died at his school :'(
Joshua lived till 1932 ( aged 81 )
his sister Marie Haddelsey married in 1881, she lived till 1944,( aged 90 )
the other sister who visited her father in Australia when she was 11 years, I cannot seem to find after this
Residence1881
6, Stratford road,Aston, Warwickshire, England— Age: 20, Ann Marie Bint
,occupation companion is crossed out and she is classed as a visitor. more searching :)
Maria Bint ( the wife ) died abt 3 years before George Bint came over and died ::)
she left nothing to him or her son, or the younger daughter ( if she was still living )
her probate read
Maria Bint of 1, Southfield street, Aboretum, Worcester ( wife of George Bint )
died 20th March 1896.
probate 17th April to Marie Haddelsey , effects = £46 2s 6d
I just love all this, and Once again thank you for so much help :-*
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Eilleen,
I am not a huge help with UK research, though others here certainly are.
The whereabouts of ANN MARIE would certainly be of interest.
The address where GEORGE died.... Allen Street....This seems to be a private home. Have you looked at the possibility it was connected to any of GEORGE's family?
To know more about MARGARET you would need to purchase Letitia's birth certificate, but, on the other hand, you may not think a worthwhile direction to follow.
MARGARET's death certificate may hold something helpful. As you will have seen from my previous link , Victorian Certificates are comprehensive and can be a treasure trove of information. However, I suspect Letitia (or her husband) would be the informant for the death and their knowledge could be flawed ;) But then...??? The instant download thing is tempting :P
Here are some links to tiny items about the young LETITIA.
Prizes to Letitia at school in North Melbourne in 1884. She was in class 6.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/66160106?searchTerm="letitia bint"&searchLimits=
At a fancy dress ball in 1885
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/66155232?searchTerm="miss l bint "&searchLimits=
In blue satin at a ball in North Melbourne1889
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/66149554?searchTerm="miss bint "&searchLimits=
This may or may not be your couple :D
Mr and mrs G bint visit Launceston
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/38346584?searchTerm="mrs g bint" &searchLimits=
Sue