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Title: cant find birth certificates
Post by: mag1966 on Sunday 10 February 13 17:42 GMT (UK)
I cant find either of my gt gt grandparents birth cert. Marion Brown born about 1846, James Easton born about 1841. I have them on census returns.  I have their wedding cert 31-12-63 in kilmarnock, also their death cert. James in 1871 and Marion in 1916.  Can anyone give me an idea where im going wrong please?
Title: Re: cant find birth certificates
Post by: wilcoxon on Sunday 10 February 13 18:15 GMT (UK)
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/Civil.html

•Registration of Births, Marriages and Deaths began in Scotland on 1st January 1855.

You would have to hope for a baptism .
Title: Re: cant find birth certificates
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 10 February 13 18:46 GMT (UK)
Hi

Think this could be Marions Birth

08 Aug 1846 , Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland. Parents: Archibald Brown and Margaret.

claire

Title: Re: cant find birth certificates
Post by: mag1966 on Sunday 10 February 13 19:01 GMT (UK)
Thanks for that, thought there would be some sort of record in the OPR.  Not sure whats next.  Claire I found that one but its not her, wedding cert says her parents are David and Jane Ross.  Thank you

Mag
Title: Re: cant find birth certificates
Post by: keyboard86 on Sunday 10 February 13 19:12 GMT (UK)
Thanks for that, thought there would be some sort of record in the OPR.  Not sure whats next.  Claire I found that one but its not her, wedding cert says her parents are David and Jane Ross.  Thank you

Mag

Hi just in case it's your Marion, have you discounted the Marion in 1851 census ref HO107/598/34/28?

EDIT NO please ignore!!
Keyboard 86
Title: Re: cant find birth certificates
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 10 February 13 19:40 GMT (UK)
Looks like they baptised a sister for Marion

Jean Brown~ DOB-19 Jun 1841, christening: 22 Jul 1841 Kilmaurs, Ayr. Parents: David Brown and Jane Ross.

claire
Title: Re: cant find birth certificates
Post by: osprey on Sunday 10 February 13 19:44 GMT (UK)
I haven't spotted a baptism for James as yet in the batch for Dundonald, but there are baptisms for 2 siblings

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTVX-T8Q

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTVF-86T
Title: Re: cant find birth certificates
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 10 February 13 20:06 GMT (UK)
Another sibling for Marion perhaps

Michael Brown born: 02 May 1838 , Riccarton, Ayr, Scotland Parents: David Brown, Jean Ross.

claire
Title: Re: cant find birth certificates
Post by: keyboard86 on Sunday 10 February 13 20:16 GMT (UK)
Hi Claire/Osprey, weird those 2 baps are with different yobs in the case of Michael are in the family I edited as a no no?

Cannot seem to bring up on census ref in 1851
Keyboard
Title: Re: cant find birth certificates
Post by: osprey on Sunday 10 February 13 20:17 GMT (UK)
the marriage cert gives Marion's mother as Marion and shows her as deceased.

 :-\
Title: Re: cant find birth certificates
Post by: keyboard86 on Sunday 10 February 13 20:20 GMT (UK)
the marriage cert gives Marion's mother as Marion and shows her as deceased.

 :-\

 :) That answers a lot, so Jane Ross where does she come in?
Keyboard
Title: Re: cant find birth certificates
Post by: Ladyhawk on Sunday 10 February 13 20:38 GMT (UK)
9 children for William Easton & Grace family search Ancestral file
No christening date for James  born 1841 :(

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/MZZX-MG5&view=basic

Title: Re: cant find birth certificates
Post by: mag1966 on Sunday 10 February 13 21:06 GMT (UK)
Thanks for all of that, some i knew a lot i didnt.  Hadn't thought of looking for marions siblings.  I think the Marion on the marriage cert. is wrong it was Jean (i said Jane earlier, sorry) on the census and on Marions death cert. 

Mag
Title: Re: cant find birth certificates
Post by: osprey on Sunday 10 February 13 21:35 GMT (UK)
if I'm looking at the right Marion in 1851 - in Kilmaurs with father David and siblings, 2 of the siblings are enumerated as son by marriage - William McKenn? age 16 and David McKenn? age 5, so David would appear to have remarried since the birth of Marion. Wondering if the surname could be McKenna?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XY3D-F5S

making this marriage a possible

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XT2C-54X
Title: Re: cant find birth certificates
Post by: mag1966 on Sunday 10 February 13 22:32 GMT (UK)
that would make sense, i found that census return, thought janet might be jean but couldnt work out where the mckennas came in.  im guessing jean died, havent found a cert. yet though. 
Title: Re: cant find birth certificates
Post by: osprey on Sunday 10 February 13 22:55 GMT (UK)
there won't be a cert as it's before the start of civil registration in 1855. You may find a burial record although I can see that burial records for Kilmaurs for that period do not survive.

http://www.scotlandspeoplehub.gov.uk/pdf/list-of-oprs-576to620.pdf

Given the names of his children, this looks a candidate for David's baptism

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTK6-YJM

Title: Re: cant find birth certificates
Post by: keyboard86 on Sunday 10 February 13 23:44 GMT (UK)
Hi again, what a puzzle? OK living at Farmfield Kilmaurs in 1841 the same area/address as 1851 for Marion, we have;-

David McKennan 25
Janet 30
William 5
Janet 2
Agnes 1
Residing at Farmfield, Kilmaurs
Census ref HO107/578/3/2

Keyboard86
Title: Re: cant find birth certificates
Post by: osprey on Monday 11 February 13 11:50 GMT (UK)
I think that's the wife from the 1851 census with her first husband, also David, just to confuse.

Baptism for Agnes

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XY3D-F5S

Janet Nisbet married David Brown in 1849 and in one of the later census entries, 1871 from memory, Agnes is with the Brown family.