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Hi all,
I have reached a point, and been searching since November 2012, but still in the same situation.
I discovered in January, that I've been barking up the wrong tree; I think I've discovered that my great great great grandfather remarried between 1881 and 1901. His wife in the 1881 census was Rachel, and in 1901 his wife was Mary. Problem is that I cannot find any information about Mary at all. I've been down to the grave in Ferryside and even taken a photo of the grave, but cannot find even the death certificate whilst I have her death day, month and year. So if anyone could help it would be fantastic. Also, like suggested in a previous thread (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,623075.0.html) I contacted Carmarthenshire registry office for information about John Thomas. As I don't have much information i.e father's name and mother name they couldn't help, and that's the information I would like from his birth certificate. All I can gather from the gravestone (family gravestone) that John Thomas was a grandchild of the above (Mary Thomas) But what I can't understand on the grave is that Mary Thomas died in 1916 83 years of age and her husband died in 1943 aged 89 as from the 1901 census at Roberts Rest Farm St Ishmael there is only 6 years between them. I have uploaded the grave picture. If anyone can please help! Thanks very much.
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I suspect the age given for Mary on the gravestone is 63 and so this could be her death reg
Mary A Thomas march qtr 1916 Carmarthen vol 11a pg 1445
Have you looked for the family in the 1911 census?
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I have found some in the 1911 census, I have found my grandmother which was also called Mary, but cannot find if John Thomas that died in 1931 would have been her cousin I think. So far I think only Mary had children from the 5/6 kids they had. Ordered a few death certificates, and none of the deaths have been witnessed by wives/husbands but by brother or uncle William (which is annoying!!!!) I did order John Thomas's death certificate in 1931 as he had died young it would have been one of his parents that witnessed the death but again it was his uncle William!
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in 1911 Mary Thomas was 62!!
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Hello,
not sure if this has been covered in your other threads:
Free BMD
June quarter 1892 Carmarthen - death Rachel Thomas 38 yrs
There is a Mary Jones at Roberts Rest Farm in 1891 as housekeeper to her cousin John Jones. Eleanor Enoch is also a cousin. Maria Thomas is living with Eleanor Enoch as niece in 1901.
There are several marriages which have David Thomas and Mary Jones as possible spouses between 1892 and 1901.
heywood
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If the death for Rachel is the right one - 1892, then William 10yrs in 1901 would be Rachel's child.
Therefore Mary would not be the mother/grandmother to any of the Thomas family.
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think the relationships on the stone are to David -wife of David, son of David and grandson of David. It could be a memorial rather than a grave marker as the 1915 death is after the 1916.
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Think it's time to scratch the head again.
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Think it's time to scratch the head again.
Does that mean that this is not your family?
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it is my family.. just I thought that Mary was the mother of my great-grandmother Mary. Looks like now it might be Rachel, and really been scratching my head with Mary.
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The names on the memorial are:
In Loving Memory of
MARY
wife of DAVID THOMAS
(who) died March 2nd 1916
age 63 years old
Also JOHN her son
who died March 25th 1915
age 36 years old
Also Grandson of the above
JOHN THOMAS
who died October 18th 1931
age 22 years
Also for the above
DAVID THOMAS
who died June 17th 1943
age 89 years old
I think I've got the ages correct!
Kind Regards
Morgan
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Looks like David and Mary married between 1891 and 1901, if you decide to try for the marriage certificate from Carmarthen Register Office.
1891 at Brondeg Cottage, Broadley, St Ishmael
David Thomas Head age 36 Collier born Carmarthenshire
Rachel Thomas Wife age 37 born Llandefaelog
John Thomas Son age 12 Scholar
Eliza Thomas Daur age 10 Scholar
Lewis Thomas Son age 8 Scholar
Maria Thomas Daur age 6 Scholar
Mary Thomas Daur age 4 Scholar
Henry Thomas Son age 3
William Thomas Son age 1
May help you track down the parent(s) of John Thomas!
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... So far I think only Mary had children from the 5/6 kids they had.
so Rachel had the children, and David probably married Mary sometime around 1892-3 and definitely before 1901. Check how long they had been married on 1911 census to help narrow down the marriages.
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Thanks for that... looks like they had more children than I thought!
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John Thomas has been found.. looks like the right one - didn't realise Rachel and David had a son called Lewis.
Thanks all of you for your help.
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Great news! So Lewis was John's Father. So pleased that the mystery is solved. :D