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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Surrey => England => Surrey Lookup Requests => Topic started by: ree21 on Friday 08 February 13 22:29 GMT (UK)
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Hi i have been suffering years trying to find out the correct info.
My nan was called Pat Priest in later life but there is no record of her actually marrying, so i am guessing she just called herself the surname of the man she was with.
On her birth certificate she is Phylis cecelia Hetherton 21.1.1918Liverpool, her father listed as Edward Richard Hetherton Dental surgeon and mother Phylis Hulance matron. My nan had used the surname Paradine and i was always confused why if her parents were Hetherton and Hulance.
I have not been able to find any info atall on Phylis Hulance.
A year ago i had some help from a couple of people of people who found an Emily Hulance Paradine coronors record, She had gassed herself and her daughter Phylis cecelia Picton( my nans married name) had found her, she had been living with her mother with her 2 children (my mum and aunt).
It states that her partner a Mr Paradine had left (doesnt mention a first name though) and she had become very low and taken her life.
So this is obviously where the Paradine name came from that my nan used, my mum and nan have passed away and i dont have contact with my aunt, but when my mum was alive she had told my dad about her nan gassing herself so it was definately the right person.......
BUT why Emily and not Hulance???
I am guessing my nan was adopted and didnt even know!? She thought Emily was her mother, apparently they had an aunt phylis so im wondering if Phylis passed her over to Emily but stayed in contact.
The coroners report was 1948 and states Emily had been 52 when she died.
12 ParkHill close Carshalton is the address that they were living at, It states Emilys father had been a farmer and was deceased at this time, but his name is blocked out.,
I would love if someone could help me on this, i have been doing my tree for 7 years now and am completely stumped on all of this. I would like to find out the connection between Phylis and EMily Hulance. And trace a line to maybe find relations of them. I have lots of photos that were my nans and i would like to know who they are.
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat!
They're quite unusual names and you'd hope easy to research but obviously not! I had a quick look on the London Gazette for Hulance or Paradine but nothing jumped out of the results as being the right people.
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk
I couldn't find any reference to either name on the Old Bailey Online site
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org
but you might have more luck. Will have a think about where else to look but didn't want you to think no-one would reply :)
Heather
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Hi and welcome to Roots
I am looking too
Margp
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Hi there and welcome to Rootschat.
Well she was born to an unmarried mum!
Births Mar 1918
Hulance Phylis C mmn Hulance Liverpool 8b 87
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There is an National Probate Entry for Emily's 1948 death.
Emily Hulance Paradine (SPINSTER) of 11/12 Park Hill Close Carshalton Surrey died 5th April 1948 probate London to solicitors Geoffrey Newbury and Romilly Southwood Ouvry Effects £5369 2s 6d.
So there should be a will to be had.
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Hi
The only Edward Hetherton I could find is
1891 Scotland Census
Edward Hetherton b 1860 Lesmahagow Lararkshire occ Registered Dental Surgeon
Elizabeth Hetherton b 1860
David Hetherton b 1881
Margp
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Hi there and welcome to Rootschat.
Well she was born to an unmarried mum!
Births Mar 1918
Hulance Phylis C mmn Hulance Liverpool 8b 87
Hi Carol, she is also registered under Hetherton, same ref number, also her marriage to Harry T Picton, is registered under both Hertheton and Paradine.
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Oh yeah so she is.
Well she was probably born to an unmarried mum,but her father took responsibility for her then?
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Hi Ree
On the BC for Phylis C Hertherton/Hulance b 1918, what address was given and who were the informants
Margp
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H Carol i do have a copy which was sent to me via microsoft word of the coroners report. She had gassed herself after becoming down after her partner Mr Paradine left. wondered if theres any cencus of them all living together which would give his first name. They must have been together a while as my nan Phylis cecelia used the Paradine name through her life.
Where would we find a copy of the will?
Hi MargP the informents were her listed parents ~Phylis and Edward.
The Edward you found is the correct one.
I have my nans birth death and marriage certs, i have no info on Phylis Hulance just that she was PCs mother. I need to link her to Emily. There is a Emily Prudence Hulance whos birth and death dates fit with my coronors report , b 26.7.1886 (which is 2 years out if she was 52) d 5.4.1948 which is same date.
Someone i was intouch with found me that info and made a tree which he sent saying her parents were Jane Norris Hulance 30.12.1877 whos partner was Richard William Carter, they also had a child Sybil Irene Carter c1900, im guessing Richard wasnt Emilys dad if she dint get his surname but Sybil did?
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Emily prudence Hulance was baptised in wiltshire
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Emily prudence Hulance was baptised in wiltshire
From what I remember of looking yesterday,isn't that one too old...born in 1877?
Here's how to get a will- odd that a lady of 52 had even written one back in 1948?
Had she thought she was going to die ?
All the info you need is on
www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate
Click on the left, 6 items down, on "copies of wills and admins"
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She gassed herself as she was very unhappy so she had planned to do it.
It has also been said that my nans family were very wealthy so that could be the reason why too.
Jane norris was Emilys mother, Jane 1877 and Emily 1896
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H Carol i do have a copy which was sent to me via microsoft word of the coroners report. She had gassed herself after becoming down after her partner Mr Paradine left. wondered if theres any cencus of them all living together which would give his first name. They must have been together a while as my nan Phylis cecelia used the Paradine name through her life.
Where would we find a copy of the will?
Hi MargP the informents were her listed parents ~Phylis and Edward.
The Edward you found is the correct one.
I have my nans birth death and marriage certs, i have no info on Phylis Hulance just that she was PCs mother. I need to link her to Emily. There is a Emily Prudence Hulance whos birth and death dates fit with my coronors report , b 26.7.1886 (which is 2 years out if she was 52) d 5.4.1948 which is same date.
Someone i was intouch with found me that info and made a tree which he sent saying her parents were Jane Norris Hulance 30.12.1877 whos partner was Richard William Carter, they also had a child Sybil Irene Carter c1900, im guessing Richard wasnt Emilys dad if she dint get his surname but Sybil did?
Hi, I was just about to post that Jane Norris Carter may be Emily's mother, don't worry to much about the date of birth on DC the information is only as good as the informants knowledge, what address was given on Phylis C, BC it seems strange she was born in Liverpool, have you considered that Emily and Phylis may be the same person
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Ree,
You could do with a look up of the electoral rolls at Park Hill Close Carshalton before 1948 to see if Mr Paradine was living there with Emily.
Try the Carshalton library https://www.sutton.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=41 they open at 7am !!!
Or the Surrey Record office at http://www.ancestor-search.info/CRO-Surrey.htm
Don't forget that they didn't take electoral rolls during the war years of 39-45 though.
Have no idea how much they charge but you can only ask ;D
Carol
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Hi
I can see no records for the mother, Phylis Hulance, any where, so am leaning towards that Emily and Phylis are the same person, why did she go out of her area, to have the baby in Liverpool
Margp
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Hi
The only Edward Hetherton I could find is
1891 Scotland Census
Edward Hetherton b 1860 Lesmahagow Lararkshire occ Registered Dental Surgeon
Elizabeth Hetherton b 1860
David Hetherton b 1881
Margp
Edward R A Hetherton died age 69 in Birkenhead in June 1935.
Could that be the same one and if so at least you know he wasn't that far from Liverpool!
David C Hetherton and his mum Elizabeth left Glasgow on 30 Apr 1910 bound for Canada- they are together in Vancouver on the 1911 census ,where she dies on 18 Aug 1936 and David dies on 7 Dec 1962.
Now to see what happened to dad Edward!
Carol
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I have found Edward on the 1861 Scottish census born Lesmahagow, Lanarkshire,his mum was called Cecilia (sounds familiar!).
Carol
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I have the details for Edward and his other wife elizabeth and their son leaving etc.
I dont know if Phylis and Emily were the same person.
Their are records of her birth as Emily and then her coroners report says Emily, how would she be able to list the birth as Phylis ???
Also my mum and aunt had mentioned an Aunt Phylis which is why i believe PC to be adopted from Phylis (who they then thought was their aunt) to Emily.
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Hi
To add a bit more confusion to this
I have found an Emily Wright staying with Jane Norris Carter
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1901&indiv=try&h=12500676
There is also this birth record
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?ti=5538&indiv=try&db=freebmdbirth&h=62294209
Margp
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MargP im not able to see the links you have sent, could you possibly do a "print screen" of both for me and email or paste here?
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Ree it would be against Rootschat policy to paste a screen shot here,but you can PM Marg give her your email address privately and see it that way.
Did you see my suggestion this morning of sending an email to Surrey records office to get the electoral roll details of the address she died at?
I also looked at the house on googlemaps and it is a lovely bunglaow in a great cul de sac.
Carol
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oh ok thankyou carol i did not realise :)
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I have emailed the library but not the records office yet.
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Thanks Carol
I think the Will will give you a lot of information, they take about 4 weeks to arrive
Marg
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Hi
To add a bit more confusion to this
I have found an Emily Wright staying with Jane Norris Carter
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1901&indiv=try&h=12500676
There is also this birth record
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?ti=5538&indiv=try&db=freebmdbirth&h=62294209
Margp
Ree, have you tried viewing them with the pop up blocker off
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i have managed to view the bottom one, but not the top one as i need to pay.
I am requesting the will now anyone able to find me a reference number for the coronors report?
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I am presuming that you are in the UK Ree,you haven't filled in that part of your profile yet.
Coroners reports are not online,and generally you are very lucky if they have survived.
Usually a newspaper report will give you quite a bit of info.
I managed to find one from 1932 when a distant rellie decided to cut her throat at home.
They didn't hold back on those days in the report!!!
Carol
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Send me your e-mail details via a PM and I will send it to you
Marg
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From www.deceasedonline.com ,there are details of Emily's burial.
Don't know if anyone is buried with her? You have to pay £1-50 to find that out.
Burial Register summary
EMILY HULANCE PARADINE
Buried on 10 Apr 1948 at Garth Road Cemetery (Merton)
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I have alos found the marriage of Phylis C Paradine(and Hetherton) to Harry T Picton in Surrey in 1938.
Then an outward passenger list of a Mr H T Picton aged 41 (builder) on 15th May 1947 from Southampton bound for Durban his address is 12 Park Hill Close Carshalton.
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Its Henry Thomas Picton, my grandad, it took some tracing info on him ! i had to hire a south african genealogist to help find out other family info, worth it though as i am now in contact with family over there :)
They did not know my nan or her family though
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I ws surprised to see the same address,so not only did Mr Paradine desert Emily just before she died,but her son in law upped sticks and vanishes to South Africa too.
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yeah i know, this was actually the 2nd family he had left too! My mum was only 2 i think when he left them
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I am presuming that you are in the UK Ree,you haven't filled in that part of your profile yet.
Coroners reports are not online,and generally you are very lucky if they have survived.
Usually a newspaper report will give you quite a bit of info.
I managed to find one from 1932 when a distant rellie decided to cut her throat at home.
They didn't hold back on those days in the report!!!
Carol
Carol how would i find any info from old newspaper articles?
Apparenly my nan PC had been quite a famous ballroom dancer when she was younger, along side Fred Astaire etc, i would love to see if there is anything about her in the papers too, i would have thought there would have been
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Find My past has some newspaper articles,but they've been read by a machine ,not transcribed so they are a bit hit and miss.
Pay per view or paya subscription.
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I have looked at Newspapers on FindMyPast and see nothing for any of them
Marg
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I had a reply from the carshalton library saying i need to visit them to look it up myself :(
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Good job you don't live in Oz !!!
Hopefully the record office might be able to charge you for them to do so.
Carol
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a suggetsion about nan is to look in The Stage magazine
http://directory.thestage.co.uk/ scroll down is a link to contact them nYou could also say that if they cant help can they suggets where you might find info about her,
Good luck
Jed
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Yeah i really cant go all the way there to look myself. I asked if there was anyway i could have it looked up for me & have also emailed the records office asking how much it will cost.
Also filling in the form to get the will of Emily, hopefully wont take too long
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What are the chances Emily is Phylis? Would she actually be able to put a fake name on her daughters birth certificate? Did they have to provide any proof of the details they were giving ?
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Hi Ree
In those days there were no check's, they just accepted what information was given to them
Margp
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Crazy isnt it.
I just think if she was going to make up a name to pretend to be then she would pick a different name to what she was naming her child ???
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Forty years ago when I married,they just accepted that we were both single and the age we said,no one asked for proof or a birth cert.
So in the early 20th century you can see it happening quite easily with people being far more trusting than they are today.
What about putting a look up request on the Surrey board asking if anyone could do an electoral roll look up for you at the Surrey Record Office next time they go?
Carol
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There also may be clue's from the address in Liverpool on the BC for Phylis C, they may have been working at a hospital somewhere,unless the her occupation was fictitious too
Margp
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on PC's birth cert both parents were living at 165 Islinton U.D i cannot find this online, it sounds like part of an address. Or could it be a hospital then? but i cant find anything called that.
She was a matron and he a dental surgeon so sounds plausable ???
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*Islington
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on PC's birth cert both parents were living at 165 Islinton U.D
I think U.D. might be "Urban District".
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Hi Ree
I believe that Islington is in London and I think that UD is Urban District is that the address where they were living, or does it give different address under Phylis C name,
Marg
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Yeah i did think it stood for Urban District, but cannot find anything for just 165 Islington
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Sorry if I have missed something along the way (as I have come late to this thread), but what county is the event registered in? This is an address in Liverpool? So the county is Lancashire. Not Islington in Middlesex? So presumably the address may be 165 Islington Street or Road? :-\
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In Liverpool
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Islington Road seems to be in Liverpool (L3)
Just googling, and there are some addresses listed as "Islington Liverpool".
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In 1911 there was an Islington Place,Row and Square all in Liverpool.
Have you seen Edward on the 1911 census yet?
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ive just google mapped 165 islington liverpool and it came up on the map but it doesnt clearly show it when you zoom in , does this mean ots not there anymore?
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Have a look on old-maps:
http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html
Enter islington, liverpool
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ive just google mapped 165 islington liverpool and it came up on the map but it doesnt clearly show it when you zoom in , does this mean ots not there anymore?
Numbering along streets may have changed. THere has been a lot of redevelopment over the years in Liverpool, so take that into account too.
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Ree as sent me a copy of the BC, the sub district is Exchange does anyone know what that mean's
Marg
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I have located Islington on old maps. It appears to be a long street, and is simply named Islington (not Street or Road). I see on the 1908 map it just looks like a High Street, with combination of houses and shops on the corner. I haven't looked too closely yet though. ;)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_Exchange_railway_station
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_Exchange_%28UK_Parliament_constituency%29
Must be an area of Liverpool- googled it and loads of stuff came up.
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Phylis's the mother was working in the Munition's Factory as a Matron, I think this may be some sort of overseer ?????
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Google maps - enter Hunter St Liverpool to find Islington. It's the A57 and is parallel to New Islington - these roads run into Erskine St. North and slightly east of Lime St Station.. It looks like the road used to be longer when your family lived there.
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Islington Square was on the corner where Islington, Shaw St and Moss Street converge. There are a few older buildings behind facades but the road seems largely cleared and characterless today, which is a shame. :(
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I think an address search of the 1901/1911 censuses may give a result and at least give an indication of the kind of area it was. Most babies would have been born at home in those days, so 165 Islington was probably their home address. :-\
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Ree as sent me a copy of the BC, the sub district is Exchange does anyone know what that mean's
Marg
There's a list of Liverpool's sub districts here
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/liverpool.html
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The BC for Phylis C is a typed version and was issued in 1954, it might be worth looking at the original from Lancashire BMD to see if there are any error's
Margp
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The BC for Phylis C is a typed version and was issued in 1954, it might be worth looking at the original from Lancashire BMD to see if there are any error's
Margp
Is that a website Marg
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Also she was registered twice once as Hulance, once as Hetherton, how do i find out what one i have? it doesnt say what her surname is going to be, just names both parents?
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Hi Ree
There will only be one BC, it is under both names, but with the same reference, here is the link to order it
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
The reference should be EXCH/28/93
Marg
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Ree,
You might find this website useful to read about birth certs.
http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/births.htm
Carol
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i have been trying to purchase PCs birth certificate from lancashire bmd site but it keeps failing, i will try again a different day.
I thought i would see if i could get Emily Hulances birth cert too, looked on the wiltshire bmd site but it doesnt bring her up, why would this be? I can find her birth on familysearch but not on the bmd site
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Hi Ree
It's cheaper to buy certificates directly from the General Register Office at Southport at www.gro.gov.uk quoting the persons name, district, volume and page numbers you find on freebmd and then checking the images to make sure the details are correct.
All these regional sites aren't complete, you need to look on freebmd or a subscription site such as Find My Past to get the registration details.
Family Search doesn't have the birth, marriage and death indexes, they only have their transcription of parish register entries for Baptisms, marriages and some burials.
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Prudence's birth registration details were given in replies #3 & 6 on the first page of this topic.
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Hi Dawn
Ree already as the typed version of the BC, and there may be an error with the mothers name, so I think if she looks at the one from Lancashire BMD, it may or may not solve this for her
Margp
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I have managed to order a copy from www.gro.gov.uk , was only 60p cheaper than lancashirebmd, but every penny helps :)
Lets hope it helps me
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Hi
To add a bit more confusion to this
I have found an Emily Wright staying with Jane Norris Carter
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1901&indiv=try&h=12500676
There is also this birth record
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?ti=5538&indiv=try&db=freebmdbirth&h=62294209
Margp
Ree, have you tried viewing them with the pop up blocker off
Hi Ree, there is no BC for a Emily Prudence Hulance, only one for a Emily Prudence Wright who is a visitor with Jane Norris Carter nee Hulance
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I have managed to order a copy from www.gro.gov.uk , was only 60p cheaper than lancashirebmd, but every penny helps :)
Lets hope it helps me
Hi Ree, I think that you only get what you already have, this will have been copied from the one at the Lancashire BMD that's why error are made
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March 1895
Wright, Emily Prudence, Bath 5c 560
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Hi Ree, I think that you only get what you already have, this will have been copied from the one at the Lancashire BMD that's why error are made
Let's hope that when someone typed it out all those years ago,they mucked up and this time the GRO will photocopy the original that they hold and it'll have a different mum...........fingers crossed!!! ;D ;D ;D
Have we established which register office holds the original,would it be worth Ree ringing them asking if they'd be so kind as to look at it and confirm mum's name?
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Hi Carol
The BC for Phylis C Hetherton/Hulance was issued in 1954 from Somerset House and is a typed version, the original is held at the Lancashire BMD ref EXCH/28/93
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The Lancashire BMD website tells us that it is Liverpool Register office which holds the original.
http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/births-marriage-deaths/copies-of-certificates/
There is a phone number on the page,if it were me I would try ringing them,nothing ventured nothing gained ;D
Carol
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Marg why would it be different ordered from a different site, im confused ???
I had to type in the refernce number so surely i should get the right one?
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Hi Carol
The BC for Phylis C Hetherton/Hulance was issued in 1954 from Somerset House and is a typed version, the original is held at the Lancashire BMD ref EXCH/28/93
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The Lancashire BMD website tells us that it is Liverpool Register office which holds the original.
http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/births-marriage-deaths/copies-of-certificates/
There is a phone number on the page,if it were me I would try ringing them,nothing ventured nothing gained ;D
Carol
Hi Ree, the original handwritten one is held at the above link, the typed version would be copied from this,
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The one i have ordered has the same ref code though so surely will also be the original?
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The one i have ordered has the same ref code though so surely will also be the original?
What we are saying Ree,is that whoever was working at Somerset House in 1954 may have mistyped the name,and the original may say something different(Hopefully that her mum was Emily not Phylis)
Carol
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No i was a bit confused as Marg suggested ordering the one from lancashirebmd but i have ordered if from gov.uk instead as it was atiny bit cheaper and i thought Marg said it wouldnt be the right one.
I probably just misread it :)
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Marg suggested a photocopy of the original from Liverpool Register Office via the Lancs BMD website,rather then the one from the GRO which may agan be a typed one like you already have.I'm not sure how they work nowadays- maybe Dawn has a better idea?
Carol
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The older birth and death registers have been scanned and you generally get an image of what has been submitted to the GRO from the local registrars.
If the film is badly faded/illegible you will get a handwritten copy but they are few and far between. You now sometimes get a typed copy if the original is in a typed format. These tend to be much more recent though.
I've yet to come across an error of the nature you are suggesting ie the register office or GRO/Somerset House supplying incorrectly transcribed information on birth and death certificates. But I'm sure there are people here who will tell us otherwise.
The errors generally come in the compilation of the indexes.
Of course, once you have the certificate from the GRO there is nothing to stop you contacting Liverpool reg office and ask them to check their entry. It may be easier to write or email and enclose a photocopy or attach a scan as they may think you are just trying to get birth information from them without paying.
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I have had 2 certificates double checked by sending copies, keep the copy you have and just send them the photo copy, normally they are very helpful,
Happy Hunting
Louisa Maud
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Anyone manage to get anywhere to check those records for me?
Also can anyone find details of where Edward Richard Alston Hetherton is burried please? Apparently he died birkenhead , cheshire april 1935
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I think you need to be on a different message board for your latest request, I suggest CHESHIRE might be able to help you
If you have a death address for this person it might well be worth googling to see where the local undertakers are, or perhaps he is buried in a family grave somewhere
Good Luck
Louisa Maud
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Hi Ree
Have you received the BC for Phylis C
Margp
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The Lancashire BMD website tells us that it is Liverpool Register office which holds the original.
http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/births-marriage-deaths/copies-of-certificates/
There is a phone number on the page,if it were me I would try ringing them,nothing ventured nothing gained ;D
Carol
Ree if you have received the BC for Phylis C you need to contact the above link and ask them to cross reference the mothers information with EXCH/28/93
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You say that Edward died in April 1935- do you have the cert?
If not then it could have been anytime during April May or June as it was registered in the june 1/4.
Once you have the cert and the address and exact date of death,you can check with http://www.wirral.gov.uk/my-services/community-and-living/deaths-cemeteries-and-crematoria/cemeteries to find out which one is nearest to where he lived and ask if they can find out where he's buried.
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No Marg im still waiting, still waiting for Emily hulances will too.
I do not have Edwards birth cert, a lot of trees on ancestry have him as that quarter of the yr but one had april so tbh im going from that. Someone related on his line wanted my help as he has all the others' locations but not Edwards.
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Hi Ree
The Wills usually take abt 4 weeks, but I thought the BC would have arrived they are abt 7 days
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Hopefully get something this week then , think it said something like 15 days. I couldnt find where to type in the reference number and i tried to ring up and ask them to add it but they told me they couldnt make any changes to the order :( So its going to take the most amount of time i guess
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Hi ree
For future reference, when you order any cert from the GRO, at the first screen before you enter the year of event you have the option to tick a box which says reference known or not.
The system defaults to not.
I didn't get to the British Library this week but I have re-ordered the registers for Wednesday.
Dawn
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Thanks Dawn.
And Thankyou again, amazing.... cant wait to see if they show anything ;)
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how would i get hold of a coronors report for Emily Prudence Hulance? Someone that was helping me got emailed the info from it by someone else, but i would like a proper copy or a link to it on a website, just want to confirm the details i was sent are correct too. As one of the people mentioned has the first name blocked out and i dont understand why as the person was known so they knew the whole name .
5th.4.1948 12 Parkhill close Carshalton
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Going back to Emily again. i have been in contact with someone on Ancestry who g grandad was Richard William Carter, when he & Jane Norris Hulance got together, she already had Emily Prudence, apparently she was illigitamate and it caused a lot of disruption in the family.
Marg as you said before there is records of an Emily Wright staying with the Carter family (Jane included) this must be Emily. most of the records have her as Hulance, some why is this one Wright?? Her father must be Wright, but if shes called it in that cencus that must mean her father is on her birth certificate surely? or not?
I have been told a couple of times about a Ernest G Hulance that was born 1918 Liverpool too, my nan PC was 1918 Liverpool too, bit of a coinsidence.... Can anyone find me info on this Ernest as i cant seem to find anything,. not anyone even with the name Ernest Hulance
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March 1895
Wright, Emily Prudence, Bath 5c 560
Hi Ree you will need to send for this BC to find out about Emily
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Hi Ree
Birth Record
Ernest G Hulance
Born July Qtr 1916
Mothers Maiden Name, Hulance
Reg Dist Liverpool
Vol No 8b
Page No 145
Margp
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Hi
I can find no other record for Ernest, Hulance is not a common name, so I think that there may be a connection to Phylis C
My gut feeling on this, is that Ernest G may have been adopted, there are no records for this as adoption, was not legal until 1927'ish
I think you need to send for the BC for Ernest G, as well, I found this record on Ancestry
Margp
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I have been searching on Ancestry , why can i not find it then :(
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Thanks Marg....
I have just ordered birth certs for Emily and Ernest and i managed to put in the reference parts this time so hopefully they will be quick as im still waiting for the will for Emily and birth cert for Phylis
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Still waiting for everything to turn up....
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Someone i had a link with on ancestry pointed out something i hadnt noticed.
On the copy i was sent of Emily hulances coronors report it says her dads surname was Hulance.
Jane norris Hulance cant be my emilys mother then as she had her daughter out of wedlock So her and Emilys' dads surnmes cant both be Hulance... unless they were related?
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Hi Ree
I would not put too much credence this information, usually when a child was born out of wedlock the father's name would be fabricated to save face
Marg
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Right.....
Birth certificate for Ernest Greville Hulance has arrived
Born 11 june 1916 Liverpool maternity hospital
Mother phyllis Hulance cashier living at 283 Edge lane
So mother is listed as Phyllis like I assumed it wouldrbe same as PCs mother. Now I need an electoral roll look up on that address too.
Anyone able to find any info on this Ernest? I have really limited Internet access at mo as im having to use my phone
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So presumably he's illegitimate ,you don't mention a father?
He was born slap bang in the middle of the war,no electoral rolls were taken during 1914- 1918.
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Electoral rolls for 1914 or 1918 would be good enough im sure .
There's no father mentioned on there at all
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right.....
Have been looking on ancestry and looking in the telephone directories section.
Mr Samuel Paradine is listed as living at "Willowdene" 13 Benhilton Gardens from 1932-1937, from 1939-1946 at 12 Parkhill close, and funnily enough in 1938 the year inbetween he lived at number 13 Parkhill close, so moved next door. Hoping to get a electoral roll look up on some more of these dates and also for number 13 and find out who he wasliving with at that one.
There is also a Mr S Paradine living at 20 Peterborough road, fulham in 1930, which could possibly be him.
And also 1950 Hopecott Berryhead road, Brixham, and 1951 Cross Park, Monksbridge, Brixham, (Devon) and on the coroners report for Emily , my nan had said that Mr Paradine had left her mum in 1937 to be with another woman in Brixham, cant just be a coinsidence surely.
Also A Mr S Paradine died 27May 1951 in Totnes, Devon, and it said he had been living at Cross Park monksbridge, so was the same man as above, aged 61 so born about 1850.
Anyone able to help me find any details on the right Samuel, anyone with one on their tree on ancestry is the wrong one.
Ree
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Hi Ree
Is there any news on the BC for Emily Prudence Wright
Marg
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Hi Ree
The Samuel Paradine who left the Will date of death 27 May 1951 was born in 1890
Samuel Paradine
Birth 1890
Death April Qtr 1951
Reg Totnes Devon
Vol 7a
Page 787
So the Samuel Paradine we are looking for was born in 1890 not 1850, this looks a good candidate for your Mr Paradine
Margp
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sorry i typed that wrong, yes 1890 he was born, theres one born in malta 1890 and seems to be emmigrations bits on ancestry for his family coming to england and then going back and later him returning on his own in 1915/16 but i cant find anything as definate proof.
I have tried messaging people on ancestry that have this one in their tree but ive not heard anything back from any of them yet, hoping i can show them my photos and they can tell me if any are him or not.
None of them have any info of him once he returned to england though only early 1900s whilst in canada.
No Emily Prudence Hulances birth cert came and her mother was down as Jane Norris Hulance like i thought and her father as "someone" Wright, cant think of hand what his name was. I dont think thats the correct one.
Ree
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Hi
"No Emily Prudence Hulances birth cert came and her mother was down as Jane Norris Hulance like i thought and her father as "someone" Wright, cant think of hand what his name was. I dont think thats the correct one."
What was Emily Prudence birth date, do you have your Emily's birth date, do they match in any way, can you send me a copy of that
Marg
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I dont have it with me its at my dads, i will try and send a copy of it to you during the week .
I had a look on the freebmd and theres a Emily Hulance born 1896 correct year in Chippenham, im wondering if thats the correct Emily :-\
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wow you can tell im tired, i read that wrong too, its actually 1886 so it cant be her. I have ordered Emily Hulances death certificate again as it got refunded 1st time as id entered something wrong. When that turns up hopefully that will give me some info ?
Ree
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Have you had Phylis C Hetherton BC
I am tired too Ree, I have to check every thing twice, hubby had an heart attack a couple of weeks ago, so it is taking out of me looking after him, and old age does not help lol
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Hi Ree
I have just noticed that the solicitors on Emily's Will are the same solicitors for the Will of Samuel Paradine, this is looking a very good link to them
Margp
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With this information I think you have found your Mr Paradine