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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Laurina on Thursday 07 February 13 00:47 GMT (UK)
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Looking for info on the children of John Brown Morton and his wife Mary Jane. They had four known children, Edgar, Thomas, Doris and John. All were born early 1900's. Do parish records exist for their baptisms in Manchester.
Thanks Laurina
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Hi
From www.lan-opc.org.uk
Edgar Morton - [Child] of John Brown & Mary Jane Morton bapt 27 Jun 1901 Albert Memorial, Collyhurst, Lancashire, of 41 Llandaff St. Father was a hoist man
Heather
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Did John's first wife die and he remarry?
1909 John Morton and Ann York/ Morgan at Prestwich register Office or Registrar attended.
Heather
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1901
at 41 and 43 Llandaff Street, Harpurhey, Manchester
John B Morton Head 21 Scotland Hoistman in tobacco factory
Mary Jane Morton Wife 22 Staveley Derbyshire Handkerchief maker
Rose Higgins Boarder 21 Manchester
Jessie Martin wife 40 Dundee Scotland
Lucy J Martin daughter 11 Bolton
Ellen Martin daughter 9 Manchester
Jessie Martin daughter 4 Manchester
3776/110/18
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Thanks for that Heather.
John married several times. I've seen that record for John Brown but am not sure if it's the correct John. Mary Jane certainly dies/disappears at some point but I've been unable to find a death record for her.
Thanks for the baptism - I've been told that there is a record on a well known site that I don't have access to. It gives the baptisms for all the above children. I'm hoping someone can find this info. It would tell me when Mary Jane was still living.
I've tried general searches for Doris and Thomas Morton but can't confirm these without more info.
Hope someone can help.
Laurina
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Last child born Sheffield and thats as much as I can state on here,
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Albert memorial
John Gould Morton
130 Hamilton Street
child of John Brown Morton and Mary Jane
baptised May 11th 1905
fathers occupation,packer
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Thanks - Doris and Thomas are of interest as these two do not appear in the 1911 census. I'm wondering if they died young or are living elsewhere. That's why I'm keen to discover their birth dates.
Their is another son - George in 1911 census.
Laurina
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Doris,
born 11th Feb 1907
baptised 3rd March 1907
27 Anderson Street
fathers occupation tabacco packer
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Christ Church ,Bradford,Manchester
December 27th 1899
Thomas Morton
child of John Brown Morton and Mary Jane
pattern card maker
I cant make out the address sorry
I will leave it for you to ponder over,
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Albert memorial
George Morton,
born 9th April 1903
baptised 3rd May 1903
child of John Morton and Mary Jane
fathers occupation,tabacco ?
address,44 Llandaff St
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Thanks that's a great help - I believe Thomas must have died before 1901 census and there is a possibility for a death for him. Still need to find out more about Doris but made a promising start. Looks like Mary Jane died after 1907. Are there any burial records online?
Laurina
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Manchester burials are free to search on line,
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Manchester burials are free to search on line,
I have the death certificate of an uncle - January 1942 - lived Moss Side - but he doesn't appear in the burial index anywhere. Why would he not appear, please?
brevitas
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try a wild card .
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Have done that - but nothing :-\
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There is a Thomas Morton buried in Philips Park cemetery manchester 22/5/1900
Grave K Consecrated 1993.
There are no other Mortons or Browns in the grave
Heather
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Thanks - would a child be buried alone in a plot at this time? Is there any more info on the burial or is it a pay to view more? His father John is a bit of a mystery man who was born in Scotland - never been able to locate his birth to get further back with this line. The mother family were Gould.
Is there any more info on the John Brown / Ann York marriage in 1909 - names of fathers or witnesses etc
Laurina
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It looks like a common grave
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You should be able to find a little about his past from his marriage
St Mary Beswick
Manchester
27th November 1899
John Brown Morton,bachelor,aged 20,labourer,
9 Collingsons Buildings
father John Brown Morton,deceased
Mary Jae Gould,spinster,machinist,aged 21,
35 Forrest Street
father Thomas Gould,labourer,
witness to marriage
Sarah Ann Pendlebury
David Pendlebury
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Thanks - I have that certificate - never managed to get any further with it and wonder if the deceased father was imaginary. No child with that fathers name in Scotland and no marriage for parents either.
I wonder if the marriage mentioned by Heatherjulie above to Ann York in 1909 was his too as he married at least three times to my knowledge. I hoped this marriage record might show a bit more detail about parents and witnesses.
Laurina
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I would send for the marriage certificate for the marriage mentioned by Heather and see if it gives any further details
David Pendlebury the witness on his marriage married Sarah Ann Smith,so no close connection that I can see there,probably just good friends,
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Thanks, trying to avoid buying more certificates. I would really like to find a death for his first wife Mary Jane Morton. Can't find a marriage to his second wife either - he's with her in 1911 although I have her death before his last marriage.
I wondered which site Heather found the marriage to Ann York/Morgan - is it a pay to view site (this might be a cheaper option)
Laurina
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The last child in 1911
you have the census dont you,
Jessie Morton,born Failsworth 1910
is on Lancashire bmd ,
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I have the 1911 census and Jessie isn't with my family - I've not heard of her at all.
Laurina
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Hi
Something else to mull over!
www.lancashirebmd.org.uk
MORTON* John and YORK Ann
Looking on a couple of sites
Ann Walvin born 1869 Clay Cross Derbyshire, possibly married Andrew York in 1886 Failsworth, St John the Evangelist (lancsbmd)
1891in Failsworth
Andrew York 27
Annie York 23 born Clay Cross
Florence York 2
John Andrew York4/12
Elizabeth Colton 76 other relative
1901
630 Oldham Road Failsworth
Andrew York 35
Annie York 33
Florence York 12
Doris York 3
I cannot find this family in 1911 but have found the Ann Morton
Haven't found a death for Andrew York yet.
There is a possible marriage for
Florence York and Harold Scott Higgins in 1911 at Prestwich registrar attended.
Heather
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From www.oldham.gov.uk
Andrew York was buried in Failsworth cemetery 15/01/1906 aged 39
His address was 630 Oldham Road Failsworth
Also in the grave are
Eleanor York 1/8/1906 aged 6 months
Herbert Waters 14/8/1907 aged 2 years
Edward Andrew York 25/2/1918 aged 9 years 14 Schofield Street, Failsworth
Mary Walvin 24/4/1926 aged 77 624 Oldham Road
John Walvin 3/7/1926 aged 79 624 Oldham Road
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Thanks - where did you find the Morton / York marriage ?
Laurina
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The Annie who is with John Brown in the 1911 census had a daughter Minnie before she was with him. (Illegitimate). Their marriage IF it occurred would have been between 1909 and the census. Strangely they claim to have been married 10 years on census - this is very unlikely. Could have been a convenient arrangement as they both had children.
Laurina
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I think possibly it should be one year
Florence York married Harold Scott Higgins
Prestwich registrar office
6 Argus Street,Hollins Road Failsworth
one daughter Amelia born Failsworth October 11th 1911
Harold born India,