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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Glamorganshire => Wales => Glamorganshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: mmjones on Saturday 04 June 05 21:16 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I was wondering if someone could please help me find Theophilus Jones in Wales, possibly in Swansea, Glamorgan or some other village in Glamorgan. He would be 56 or older. Thank you very much.
Regards,
Lynn
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Hello Lyn :)
Have you found Theophilus on any other census, perhaps with a family member?
Was he a Slag Copperman, living with wife Rachel in 1861 at 4 Pistill Row, Swansea
RG9 Piece 4106 Folio 76 Page 10
Kind Regards
Morgan
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Hello,
As you see on the date of this posting it was 6 years ago. I have since received reliable information that Theophilus was not that old at that time. Instead I would be happy to receive 1851 census for Theophilus Jones age 30 years in Llandboidy, Llandefeilog with wife Elizabeth and son John. Thank you.
Regards,
Lynn
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Hi Lynn, is this the one you want:-
1851 Census
Theophilus Jones 30 occ Ag Lab b Merthyr
Elizabeth 25 b Kidwelly
Mary 4 b Llandefeilog
John 2 b "
Residing at Penyrhew, Llandefeilog
Census Ref HO107/2472/290/14
Keyboard86
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Hello Lynn
Just trying to get some of the old threads moving again :D
Theophilus Jones age 30 years in Llandboidy, Llandefeilog with wife Elizabeth and son John.
Do you mean Llanboidy or Llandefeilog Parish?
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Hi,
Thanks Keyboard that is them. Could I ask if you could find Theo in 1841? Glad to see the broad moving Morganllan, couldn't have come at a better time! Llandefeilog it is and not Llanboidy.
Lynn
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Hi Lynn, :)
This could be him in 1841:
Vicarage ? Merthyr, Carms
Theophilus Jones age 20 Ag Lab
William Nicholls age 15 Ag Lab
David Lewis age 15 Ag Lab
Vicarage? is occupied by a Farmer named Samuel Davies.
HO107 Piece 1383 Book 20 ED 15 Folio 7 P8
Kind Regards
Morgan
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Morgan,
Thank you very much :D. Do you know how I can try tracking in Wales who his mother and father were? Thanks again.
Lynn
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Hello Lynn
According to "A Topographical Dictionary of Wales" by S. Lewis, Merthyr (Carms) had 295 inhabitants in 1844, so was a fairly small place.
The LDS site has the Christening on 15th August 1819 at Merthyr of Theophilus John, the son of Griffith John and Elizabeth. This is a strong possibility for your Theophilus because the surname John frequently became Jones at this time.
There is also a Christening of Griffith John in the same Parish on 19th November 1774, the son of John Griffith (first name and surname frequently switched in Welsh patronymic system, which causes lots of problems for family historians ;D )
Kind Regards
Morgan
Kind Regards
Morgan
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Morgan,
That is wonderful you have found my family back that far and so quickly! I knew about the John names becoming Jones etc. but didn't know the time frames. Really appreciate your input and knowledge.
Lynn
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Hi again,
I would be grateful to know if Griffith John or JONES is on the 1851 census in Merthry, age about 77. Or on the 1841 if he didn't make it that far. Thank you.
Regards,
Lynn
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Hi Lynn, not a single Griffith appears to have made it even to the 1841!!
Hang on a minute I just tried again on FindMyPast and this time their are loads!
Will come back if he is there ok
????? Wonder how that happened
Keyboard86
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I can't see any possibilities on 1851. On 1841 I found a Griffith John (but not necessarily yours) in the neighbouring Parish of Abergwili.
Griffith John age 70 Farmer
Anna John age 45
HO107 Piece 1383 Book 1 ED 27 Folio 7 Pg5
In the next household, at Bridgegate, is a William Griffith age 40 Ag Lab., with Eliza Griffith age 10, Eleanor Griffith age 8, and Rachel Griffith age 6.
All born Carmarthenshire
No relationships on 1841 and ages rounded down to nearest 5 years :-\
Can't be certain that these are your family members without further proof. Need to look closely at OPR for Merthyr and Abergwili but I don't have access to these. You could order CDs from LDS Family History Library if you want to follow up.
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Hi Morgan,
Yes I understand I will have to verify but what more would LDS CD have that would make it certain ??? Have never seen any of these files before.
Lynn
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Hi Lynn
There will probably be more information available on the CDs than there is online.
For Merthr: "Bishops' Transcripts, covering the period (1672-3, 1677-9, 1682, 1686, 1690-1, 1694-9, 1702-3, 1707-8, 1711, 1713, 1715-18, 1723-36, 1738-1800, 1802-39, 1841-2) are at the National Library of Wales, and have been microfilmed by the LDS."
Kind Regards
Morgan
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Hi,
Oh okay, Yes of course! I forgot about this.
Please forgive me. :P It's been awhile! :o
Thanks