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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: Shaztoni on Saturday 04 June 05 20:21 BST (UK)
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Ann ??? married James Jewell, can't find marraige
on 1861 census
RG9/3848 118 13
James Jewell Head 27 Married Coalminer Hexham Northumberland
Ann Jewell Wife 25 Married ---------- Durham, Shiney Row
Joseph Jewell Son 2 weeks Single ---------- Seghill, Northumberland
on her son Joseph's baptism in she was recorded as Ann Jewell
between 1864 and 1869, James Jewell died and she remarried William Reay
now I'm rightly stuck to what her maiden name was.
Sharon
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Surely if you can get the certificate for the second marriage it will have her father's name on it?
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Thanks I had never thought about that as on the FreeBMD for William Reay and her marraige she was recorded as Ann Jewell
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There may also be a parish register transcript with the father's name on it, although in many cases where the bride was a widow, the father's name was omitted. In civil registration, the information is mandatory I believe (unless she was illegitimate perhaps). Good luck
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Hi Sharon,
One method for finding maiden name's that's worked for me in the past is to go back one census and look for single women with the same christian name, born in the same place and of about the right age.
A search of the 1851 census for Anns born in Shiney Row in 1836 +/- 2 years shows just 4 possible candidates:
Mary Ann COOKE
Ann CRELLIN
Ann RICHARDSON &
Ann SIMPSON
In other cases like this I've already had the marriage reference for the groom and then it's just a question of going through the marriage indexes for the possible surnames for the bride and hopefully finding a match. In your case it's a bit more difficult as you don't yet have a reference for James JEWELL's marriage and FreeBMD coverage is still fairly low for some of the years in which they are likely to have married (1860 in particular) and only shows up a few James JEWELL marriages from the South West of England - unlikely to be yours. Nevertheless, you can still use the same idea but it's a bit more time consuming. I'd start by going through the marriage indexes for 1859 & 1860 and looking for James JEWELL marriages in the North East of England and then trying to match up with the Anns with the surnames above in the same quarter.
It's not a dead cert method for a number of reasons (your Ann could be missing from the 1851 census, Ann's birthplace could be recorded differently in the two cenuses, they may not have married in the North East etc.) but it's worth a try!
Regards,
Al
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Thank you I'll give it a try.
Sharon
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Birth of her son? (maiden name should be on the cert.)
Joseph Jewell March 1861 Vol 10b Page 178 Tynemouth Northumberland
Regards
Catherine :)
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Thanks Catherine,
I got that and it wasn't recorded :'(
I think I might have to get one of his siblings to see if its there.
Sharon
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I was going to suggest Joseph's birth cert as well-it should have had the mother's maiden name.. Ann Jewell (Formerly xxxxxx).
There are no marriages registered in area for james Jewell in right time frame (went back to 1854) so assume the marriage is either registered only under Ann's name (try the names above) or they got married elsewhere.
Good Luck!
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Just a thought Sharon, could they have married in Scotland? I think they were only living a couple of miles from Hadrian's Wall in the 1861 censu. Have you checked on SP?
Regards,
Al
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Hi Sharon !
This is a real long shot but I'm looking for an Annie Jewell from the Channel Islands ...... ::)
wonder if they are related !! I have found her son Charles on the CWGC - he had been married and lived in London
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,52401.0.html
Annie :)
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Could they perhaps be cousins? Making her maiden name as well as her married name Jewell?
Anne
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I never thought about that Anne :o
I'll check that out Al
Thanks
Sharon
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Have found out that her maiden name was Mason but this gets me no nearer to her parents. :'(
Sharon
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Did you notice on the 1861 census, that the next door family are Masons of about the right age to be her parents???
Catherine :)
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What, what!! no I didn't, oh my! this is exciting, thank you,
*runs off to check it out*
Sharon
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There is a baptism of an Ann Mason in Penshaw (parish for Shiney Row) 24 Aug 1834 d/o John and Mary.
Janis
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Thanks Janis, I'll keep that in my records too.
Just checked the 1861 census the family next door are
Joseph Mason 57
Margaret 49
John 16
Margaret 18.
All born Shiney Row
And as Ann's first son was called Joesph it is very possible that he was named after her father.
Sharon
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and Ann is with them in 1851, so looks like its the correct family :) ....they very kindly had other children post 1837 too so it should be easy to find Margaret's maiden name too!
Catherine :)
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Thank you... Thank you Catherine :-* :-*
Sharon
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I would take a look at that 1861 (RG9/3848 folio 118 page 13) census again--It looks like Joseph Mason and family were born Shield Row--that is Tanfield. The the 1851 (HO107/2391 folio 360 page 33) says that the children were born in Halgarth which is in the parish of Pittington.
Confusing. I looked in parish records for Pittington, Penshaw, and Tanfield. No baptisms of these children. Perhaps they were not C of E.
The 1851 has a daughter Jane born abt 1832 Chester [le Street] but no baptisms there either.
No early marriages in Co. Durham or Northumberland of a Joseph Mason.
marrying a Margaret. Yes I would get a birth cert if you can.
Janis
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Yet that will be my next to-do, this family just doesn't want to be found. Thanks for looking.
Sharon