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I am looking for info like parents, siblings for John J Swales, born around 1890 , possibly South Shields, Gateshead, Jarrow area. Married mary Ethel Shanley in 1920.
Many thank , Emmanne
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1891 census; reference RG12, Piece 4180, Folio 73, Page 24
18 Nelson Street, Gateshead
Swales, Peter Head M 63 Hawker b Dent, Yorkshire
Swales, Ann Wife F 39 b Skeby(?), Yorks
Swales, Hamable Son M 16 Coal Miner b Gateshead
Swales, Margaret J Daughter F 15 b Alston, Cumberland
Swales, Dinah Daughter F 13 Scholar b Branton, Cumberland
Swales, Salla Daughter F 11 Scholar b Gateshead
Swales, Sarah Daughter F 4 Scholar b Gateshead
Swales, Frank Son M 3 b Gateshead
Swales, John J Son M 1 b Gateshead
Wrong family?
See later posts
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1891 census; reference RG12, Piece 4180, Folio 73, Page 24
18 Nelson Street, Gateshead
I'd be wary of that one, I looked at the image and I believe it says John G, rather than John J (plus there is a baptism on Family Search for a child with those parents names and he was baptised as John George)
Emmanne, do you have the marriage record (certificate or parish register copy) for your John J.? That would tell you his father's name which would make the search more accurate.
Do you have him in any census to give an idea of parents names or any siblings?
Boo
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Hi,
marriage for John J and Mary Ethel 11 May 1921 at South Shields on line search
taffie
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A John Joseph Swales was born in the South Shields/ Jarrow area 1891
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Another John Joseph Swales registered South Shields, March qtr 1888? ::)
There is what appears to be a well researched tree on Ancestry, complete with photos.
That says that John Joseph Swales, born 13th May 1891 Jarrow, married Mary Agnes Moran in 1918?
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A John Joseph Swales was born in the South Shields/ Jarrow area 1891
and his baptism is on Family Search, parents George Henry SWALES and Catherine Malloy SWALES
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NJFG-X5T
That quotes film number 2046480, which I looked up in the catalogue and its for St Bede's Roman Catholic Church, Jarrow
Boo
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Another John Joseph Swales registered South Shields, March qtr 1888? ::)
His baptism was at St Bede's Jarrow, parents John SWALES and Joanna Swan SWALES
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NJFG-NZK
Boo
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That tree on Ancestry has John Joseph's parents as George and Catherine.
So it looks like we are (or should be?) following the 1888 John Joseph?
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That tree on Ancestry has John Joseph's parents as George and Catherine.
So it looks like we are (or should be?) following the 1888 John Joseph?
Its a bit smoke and mirrors, born 'about' 1890, possibly Gateshead, Jarrow, South Shields really covers a lot of possibles. If Emmanne is sure about his marriage (maybe from family knowledge) then I think the best bet is the marriage cert or a look up request for the register.
According to the South Tyneside Registrars online search the marriage of John J SWALES and Mary E SHANLEY is in the Register R126. That does not appear in their list of Anglican church codes so it was either in a Register Office or a Registrar attended a non conformist marriage.
The marriage certificate/ register entry if one exists is the only sure fire way to establish Emmanne researches the correct John J SWALES.
Boo
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Hi
agree with K Garrard the 1988 John Joseph most likely.
1891 census @ 7 Leopold st. Jarrow
class RG12. piece 4168. Folio 51. page39.
John Swales 32 marine engineer b Jarrow
Mary 35 b Sunderland
Cecilia 5
John Joseph 3
Matthew Geo. 1
Boarders George Thomas wid. 35 b. Preston
Joseph 12
all children b. Jarrow
also @ 1 Leopold St.
John Swales 67 retd. gentleman and Wife Mary 65 both born Whitby. May be related?
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Hi Taffie 01
I did find that family that is why Jarrow appeared in my original post
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Hi all,
I did write a reply to thank you all for the hard work you have been doing but it does not seem to have appeared here. So thank you
I do know for certain that mary Ethel married John J swales - from family info and I met the said Ethel - long, long time ago when I was a child.
There seem to be a lot of John J Swales that is where I got confused.
Tickettyboo what do you mean by " a look up request for the register".
I don't think the marriage would have been in an Anglican church as I think Ethel was catholic, so the Jarrow one may be correct,
Guess I need to move on to certificates .
Thanks again to all
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Tickettyboo what do you mean by " a look up request for the register".
Hi sorry, I should have explained. The South Tyneside Registrars site gives a code for the register the entry appears in and the date of the marriage (11th May 1921). If Ethel (Mary E SHANLEY) was Catholic then the marriage was likely to be in a catholic church with a registrar present to satisfy the legal, civil requirement.
Tyne and Wear Archives hold microfilm copies of St Bede's RC Church covering marriages of that period. If you are in the area then you could pop in and look it up to see if it was there they were married (and get a copy of the entry). If you aren't in the area then if you ask for a look up someone may check for you next time they are at the archives. I am in Scotland or I would offer :-)
Its way cheaper (50p a copy if you go yourself) than a marriage cert from the GRO at £9.25 a pop.
As you are certain that this is the right marriage , a certificate or copy from a marriage register would give you the info about father's names for both bride and groom (as long as they knew who their fathers were). Then you can go looking in the census armed with the correct info, which will make it so much easier and a lot more rewarding :-)
Boo
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http://www.twmuseums.org.uk/userfiles/UG12(4).pdf
That is the list of RC churches for whom TWAS hold microfilms.
If your John and Ethel were married in a catholic church 11th May 1921, you have a choice of churches
Boo
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Hi Tickettyboo,
Thank you for all that info, I really am a learner in all this.
I was just figuring out that there must have been more than one Catholic Church in the area and how I would find that out when your second message arrived- thanks !
Since the bride Ethel was definitely from hebburn maybe I will go with that as the wedding is usually in bride's church.
Thanks- I am in Scotland too.
Emmanne
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If someone can do a look up at Tyne Wear Archives, Newcastle, try St Aloysius RC church, Hebburn, if not there then poss. St. Bede's RC ,Jarrow
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Hi My partners Grandfather was a Shanley from Newcastle.
His name was Micheal Shanley and later moved to Coventry. Does anyone have any info on him or brothers/sisters or the name of his father or mother.
Kind regards
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Hi,Dinamboyz
Do you have any other info - like date of birth/ death , age, when he lived that would help find more info about him. I have one Michael Shanley but in the realms of g-g -grandfather
Emmanne
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Hi Emma
Michael Shanley Born 1924 in Newcastle Died Sep 1988 in Coventry
Married to
Mary Teresa Melia Born 1933 Ireland Died June 1986 Coventry
The only two places Iam aware of that Micheal Shanley ever lived in were Newcastle and Coventry.
That's all I know, I would appreciate any info you may have.
Kind Regards
Karl
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Hi Karl
If you try freebmd.org the info you give checks out.
If you search there Michael Shanley marriage there are 2 results that fit
1912 in Lanchester ( district near newcastle) 1955 in Coventry.
In the result if you click the number at the right you will get the spouse's names ie Michael's mother and wife.
If you search births putting in Shanley and mother's surname you should get about 7 results all born in Lanchester.
I am not giving the results as we could be in the realm of people who are still alive and we cannot mention living people on this website. Also it is great to look these things up and only you know if the results are the right ones. Good luck- let me know how it goes.
Regards Anne
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Hi Anne
Thank you. They got married in Coventry 1955 and I know all their children already. But I am trying to find out what Micheal Stanleys Father and Mother were called and did Micheal have brothers or sisters.
These people are all dead now so if you know that info please share with me.
Kind regards
Karl
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Hi Karl, I was not pointing you to the descendants of Michael Shanley, but rather to his parents and siblings which is the info you asked about.
This Michael Shanley is not part of my family tree so I actually have no info to share. From experience I had a quick look into freebmd.org and found this info which may or may not connect to your partners family tree.
A Michael Shanley married Sarah Fairish in 1912 - registered in Lanchester which is near Newcastle- so these may be your Michael's parents.
Between 1912 and 1927 they had 6 children one of whom is named Michael- his siblings??
The freebmd.org site is easy to use and if this is the right family you could go on to find out who they married, their descendants etc.
regards, Anne
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Thank you for your help. ;D
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No problem. Guess you found what you were looking for
Anne