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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: mazzie74 on Wednesday 30 January 13 22:04 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
My wife's Gt-Gt- Aunt, Emma Ellen Todd (born Dudley, Northumberland, England 1884) is last noted in the 1911 Dudley census.
The only marriage of an Emma E Todd in Northumberland occurred in 1919 to a George Newman (Emma would have been 35yrs old).
There is an outward passenger list of an Emma Ellen Newman (married) - address 51 Market Street, Dudley, Northumberland on 1st December 1919 to Wellington, New Zealand.
Everything ties in, except she states she is 30 (she should be 35).
If this is my Emma, can anybody trace her steps in New Zealand?
When did she die?
what children did she have?
I am wondering (as it looks like she travelled alone) if George Newman was a New Zealand soldier in WWI, and was stationed over here? And they married, and she followed him back to New Zealand.
Thanks,
Darin.
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There is a strong likelihood that this is your George given your proposed back story http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ss5/
Archives New Zealand hold the records for WW1 service, for which you may like to request a 'Look-up'
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ss6/
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I don't see a WW1 file at Archives for a George Newman Serial No. 69750 maybe he served in WW2 as well,the file would be with the NZDF if that was the case
Cheers Janette
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Hi Darin
re: Deaths in New Zealand :
- nothing for an Emma Ellen NEWMAN
- no re-marriage (up to 1956) of an Emma NEWMAN (TODD)
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All that comes close is the death of an Emma NEWMAN aged 80 years in 1968 - [bc 1888] :
[A probate file for this particular Emma NEWMAN (1968) was actioned through the Blenheim High Court. I believe she was probably the w/o a John NEWMAN a farmer at Wairau (m. 1912 to Emma DAKEN) ].
~ Lu
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... not currently having any luck with finding "Emma Ellen" in NZ electoral rolls (or with matching up an Emma with a husband named George NEWMAN. ) ???
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Hello...
Death notice for an Emma Ellen NEWMAN
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ss7/ (http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ss7/)
Burial record for Emma Ellen NEWMAN
http://www.wellington.govt.nz/services/cemeteries/search/details.php?id=83841&Service=Burial (http://www.wellington.govt.nz/services/cemeteries/search/details.php?id=83841&Service=Burial)
Burial record for George Edward Henry (shares the plot so possibly related)
http://www.wellington.govt.nz/services/cemeteries/search/details.php?id=83842&Service=Burial (http://www.wellington.govt.nz/services/cemeteries/search/details.php?id=83842&Service=Burial)
Regards
Beg
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Ah ... on NZ Death Index as >
1921 - NEUMAN - Emma Ellen - 32 years ::)
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Hello,
Emma Ellen and George Henry appear to have been buried next to each other.
Nothing that he was 23 when he died in 1944 would make his year of birth abt 1921, so its
possible Emma died in childbirth.
Regards,
Hinton
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I share those thoughts too, Hinton. ;)
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Thank you all very much for looking for me.
Everything points to this being my Emma, except the ages given.
She was born in 1884, so on the passenger list she would have been 34 / 35, not the 30 as stated.
On the death notice in 1921, she would have been 36 / 37 - not 32 as stated.
I wonder if it isn't my Emma at all, but just a coincidence that this Emma was from Dudley as well.
Would the New Zealand death certificate give her parents names etc?
If not, I will have to purchase her marriage cert to find out for sure.
Thanks again for your help,
Darin.
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Hi Darin
Yes, a New Zealand death record of 1921 makes provision for naming of the deceased's parents, place of birth, place and date of marriage and to whom ... age(s) and sex of any children born of the union ... etc. (provided of course that the informant to the death, has that knowledge).
If ordering the NZ death record, we recommend that you opt for the "printout" version (which is a copy of the registry entry ... it's a little less costly too. )
~ Lu
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Hi again Darin
.... just before you spend $$$ (or pounds) on a marriage cert. or death printout, it may be worth contacting the Karori Cemetery at Wellington to see if they have any additional information.
If you use the link provided by Beg in his post, you'll see there is an email contact provided for the Cemetery office. It's worth a try. ;)
~ Lu
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Hi again...
Just following on from Lucy's suggestion:
If you decide to contact the cemetery you might also ask about the following record...
George NEWMAN
http://www.wellington.govt.nz/services/cemeteries/search/details.php?id=92133&Service=Burial (http://www.wellington.govt.nz/services/cemeteries/search/details.php?id=92133&Service=Burial)
If possible ask if they'll take a photo of his plaque as it will mention a Service number. Hopefully it's No.69750 as mentioned by Twiggy. Or possibly No.83963, a George NEWMAN found on Archway but not on Cenotaph.
If this is the right George it may explain Emma's five year age discrepancy as this George was born in 1891, seven years before your Emma. She may have shaved off a few years at the wedding.
Regards
Beg
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Just a note, last time that I enquired about a photo of a Wellington gravestone, I was told there was a charge!
"In regards to the request for a Photograph, yes we can arrange this for you but there is a cost of $5.00 which will need to be paid to the Wellington City Council prior.
Options for payment are:
Cheque
Internet Banking
Cash/VISA/Eftpos - By coming into office only."
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Hi Twiggy...
For what it's worth, last September I emailed Karori about a headstone photo and they just sent it out to me a few days later. Maybe the photo had already been taken but had yet to be posted on their website.
I guess Plan B could be to check for a plaque/headstone inscription on the NZSG cemetery fiche.
Regards
Beg