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Could I please have the 1901 census info for Ellen Swain b 1871 Yorkshire (spouse Frank).
Would like to know where she was born and where living.
Also the 1871 census for Charlotte Swain b 1832 Belper Derbyshire. (household no 347)
Trying to find husband's name. She was widowed by 1881 but has child aged 4 by then.
Tina
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1901
Scotts Buildings, Wellington Road, Wakefield
RG13 piece 4289 folio 48 page 47
Frank SWAIN / Head / M / 45 / Coal Miner / Notts, Cinder Hill
Ellen do / Wife / M / 30 / Yorks, Barnsley
Joseph W do / Son / S / 13 / Yorks, Wakefield
George do / Son / 5 / Yorks, Alverthorpe
Lilly do / Dau / 3 / Yorks, Alverthorpe
Maggie do / Dau / 6m / Yorks, Alverthorpe
Maggie ASHLEY / Boarder / S / 23 / Rag Sorter / Yorks, Monk Bretton
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Thanks for that Paul
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1871 (not easy to read this page)
Butler's Hill, Hucknall, Notts.
RG10 piece 3491 folio 61 page 51 (Schedule #347)
Charlotte SWAIN / Head / Unmarried / 39 / Belper
William do / Son / 16 / Dudley
Frank do / Son / 15 / Cinderhill
Hannah do / Dau / 8 / Ripley[?]
Joseph do / Son / 3 / Hucknall
Absalom do / Son / 10[or 16?] months / Hucknall
(Definitely shows Charlotte as "Unm" - that's quite clear ...)
Paul
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2 possibles...
there is a marriage in Derby for 1st quarter March of 1853 to a William Fritchley or William Heath 7b509
which is sorta about the period charlotte would have married if born in 1832
anyway it would warrant further investigation as i might be clutching straws....
Belper DBY 1837 1974 Belper
theres one in september 1860 william swain at belper 7b612 spouse missing in freebduk
:)
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7b509 was a charlotte swain......... retaining maiden name ????
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there is a marriage in Derby for 1st quarter March of 1853 to a William Fritchley or William Heath 7b509
This Charlotte Swain married William Heath, and can be found with him on subsequent censuses up to 1891, so she can be ruled out.
theres one in september 1860 william swain at belper 7b612 spouse missing in freebduk
William Swain married Alice Howarth.
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thanks for discounting those two marriages manchester rambler... i will keep looking in the hope i find one for the chatterer...
:)
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I think I've possibly found Charlotte with the two oldest children in 1861:
RG09/2434/45 /22
30 Holden Square, Greasley, Notts
Aaron CARY Head 27 Coal Miner b. Ripley, Derbyshire
Charlotte CARY Wife 23 b. Belper, Derbyshire
William CARY Son 3 b. Oldhill, Staffordshire
Francis CARY Son 1 b. Greasley
Aaron is on the 1841 and 1851 censuses with his parents in Ripley, when the surname is given as KERRY, and his death registration is also under KERRY in 1880.
However, I can't spot him in 1871, and I can't see a marriage to Charlotte... ???
As Aaron didn't die until 1880, it looks as though he and Charlotte separated prior to 1871.
There are possible birth registrations for all the older children as KERRY, but Absolom's birth seems to be registered both under SWAIN and KELLEY.
Rambler
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Interesting!
From FamilySearch:
Frank SWAIN (22), son of Aaron SWAIN, married Ellen WHITHAM (19), daughter of William WHITHAM, on 6 April 1889 in Wakefield.
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Thankyou very much for that
Tina
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From FamilySearch:
Frank SWAIN (22), son of Aaron SWAIN, married Ellen WHITHAM (19), daughter of William WHITHAM, on 6 April 1889 in Wakefield.
Married after Banns - 6th April 1889 - St Andrew's Church, Wakefield
Frank SWAIN / 22 / Bachelor / Miner / Stanley Road / Aaron SWAIN / Miner
Ellen WHITHAM / 19 / Spinster / Stanley Road / William WHITHAM / Moulder
Witnesses: G. BROOK & Annie WOODWARD
All signed
So, if Frank was honest about his age, this may be him ...
Births Mar 1868
SWAIN, Frank Wilson
Chesterfield 7b 535
There aren't really any other births that fit for that time. On the other hand he might not have been telling the truth ...
1871 Butler's Hill, Hucknall, Notts.
RG10 piece 3491 folio 61 page 51 (Schedule #347)
Charlotte SWAIN / Head / Unmarried / 39 / Belper
William do / Son / 16 / Dudley
Frank do / Son / 15 / Cinderhill
Hannah do / Dau / 8 / Ripley[?]
Joseph do / Son / 3 / Hucknall
Absalom do / Son / 10[or 16?] months / Hucknall
Charlotte's son Frank would have been 33/34 in 1889 ...
Although in the census he does appear to have aged from 26 in 1891 to 45 in 1901!
And in 1911 he is 50 ... wife Ellen's age seems to be consistent through the years ...
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Thanks for the 1861 census info - definitely confuses things.
I'll add all the info you have given me to my family history sheet.
Tina
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So, if Frank was honest about his age, this may be him ...
Births Mar 1868
SWAIN, Frank Wilson
Chesterfield 7b 535
I think Frank's birth was probably registered as KERRY, although it seems unlikely that Aaron and Charlotte married:
Births Dec 1869
KERRY Frank
Radford 7b 177
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Not sure about that birth because Ancestry and Freebmd has a death for a Frank Kerry in Radford in Dec 1/4 1870 aged 0 which sounds like could be this one.
Tina
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Hmmmm, yes - missed that! :(
To be honest, the only birth registration I'm 100% sure of is Absolom's, as the whole family is pretty vague about their age on census!
Frank Wilson SWAIN married twice (1891 and 1900), and is on the 1901 census with 2nd wife Annie, so it's not him either... ???
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Looks like Charlotte's son William married Mary Ann HURST in 1882. His marriage certificate would be useful, if it shows his father's name and occupation.
Marriages Jun 1882 / Basford 7b 286
BREEDON, Henry / MOODY, Sarah Ann
SWAIN, William / HURST, Mary Ann
(Henry BREEDON is with wife Sarah Ann in 1891).
1891 / RG12 piece 3747 folio 15 page 23 / 3 Camplin Yard, Stanley cum Wrenthorpe, Wakefield
SWAIN, William / Head / M / 34 / Coal Miner / Oldhill, Staffordshire
SWAIN, Mary A / Wife / M / 37 / Fairley, Staffordshire
SWAIN, Annie / Dau / 7 / Scholar / Hucknall Torkard, Staffordshire
SWAIN, Charlotte / Dau / 5 / Scholar / Hucknall Torkard, Staffordshire
SWAIN, Sarah A / Dau / 2 / Denaby Main, Yorkshire
SWAIN, Edward / Son / 7m / Denaby Main, Yorkshire
(Hucknall Torkard is actually in Nottinghamshire, not Staffordshire as the enumerator has written).
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Aagh, just realised I posted the wrong birth reg for Frank - 10 years too late for the 1861 family!
Try this one:
Births Mar 1860
KERRY Frank
Basford 7b 87
And brother William:
Births Jun 1858
KERRY William
Basford 7b 105
Sorry about that! :-[
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Thanks for the info on William.
Ancestry has a Charlotte b 1838 Belper Derbyshire.
Also a death entry for a Charlotte b 1834 and dying in 1882 which seems most likely the right one.
You have been very helpful and I appreciate it
Tina
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This looks like her in 1851 ...
1851 / HO107 piece 2144 folio 600 page 6 / Cowhill, Belper
John SWAIN / Head / Mar / 38 / Wheelwright / Belper
Jane SWAIN / Wife / Mar / 37 / Belper
Samuel SWAIN / Son / U / 20 / Nail Maker / Belper
William SWAIN / Son / U / 17 / Higler / Belper
Charlotte SWAIN / Dau / 12 / At Home / Belper
Thomas SWAIN / Son / 14 / At Home / Belper
Elizabeth SWAIN / Dau / 9 / At Home / Belper
John SWAIN / Son / 7 / At Home / Belper
Isaac SWAIN / Son / 4 / At Home / Belper
Mary SWAIN / Dau / 7m / Belper
And in 1841 ...
1841 / HO107 piece 180 folio 8/8 page 10 / Cowhill, Belper
John SWAIN / 25 / Wheelwright
Jane SWAIN / 25
Samuel SWAIN / 12
William SWAIN / 9
Thomas SWAIN / 6
Charlotte SWAIN / 3
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That's fantastic work. Thanks for that
Tina