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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: pet50ite on Monday 28 January 13 19:56 GMT (UK)
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I wonder if some kind soul would be able to tell me what sort of buidings would be at the above address between the years 1858 to 1885. My Halpin/Conlan branch seem to chop and change between these two addresses for baptisms and marriages during this timespan. At times, there is a baptism of one child at one address followed the next year by another child at the alternate address, only to revert back to the first address the following year. I'm 99.9% certain they are all from the same family but can't understand why they keep swapping addresses.
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Thom's 1852 directory shows 6 - 18 Summer Place to be tenements. It would be far from unknown for a family to extend across two addresses. As a point of interest, the owner of several addresses in that block, including no. 16, was fined in 1877 for failing to remove a public nuisance - that might give some indication of the prevailing state of repair - not unusual for Dublin tenements of the time.
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Hi gaffy,
Thank you very much for that information. I suspected it was tenements, but as one of the people living there was a blacksmith I thought he would be reasonably well paid. I'd love to know what the "nuisance" was ;D You don't think it could refer to a person?
Pet50ite
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I've known some nuisances in my time! :)
But no, fining of landlords / property owners for failure to abate a nuisance was not uncommon around the time your Halpin/Conlan branch lived in Dublin.
Nuisance covered a wide spectrum of scenarios, but generally something related to sanitation / public health. For example, one of the stranger cases of Dublin nuisances at that time was tripe being left in a pile (to tenderise) for 5 days in the cellar of a residential property before being cut up for human consumption - needless to say, the local residents complained about the stench.
However, a great many 'ordinary' nuisances simply related to the properties and their environs. Defective drainage / sewage, yards and paths being soft mud rather than stoned / concreted, deposited rubbish, dangerous staircases, water ingress, general filth, that sort of thing. In a few worst cases, properties and alleyways were deemed so unfit for human habitation that the recommendation was to close and knock down.
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Thank you for the background info. It makes family history come alive when you can see how your ancestors lived.
Pet50ite
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My grandfathers brother Michael Woods was married to a Teresa Conlon,she died in 1920.They lived in 26 Summer Place in the 1901 & 1911 census along with her younger sister Elizabeth Conlon.
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Hi Paul,
I think Teresa is probably one of my great grandmother's siblings (christened Esther Teresa). As far as I can tell there were 11 children. Coincidentally, one of the sisters married a Richard Duffy. I suspect he is linked to my great grandmother on the cowan side of the family. I've yet to prove it. :-\ If you need the church wedding details for Teresa and Michael or Teresa's baptism details I can give them to you.
Pet50ite
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Hi Pet50ite,
Many thanks for the offer on the wedding and birth certs,I have the marraige cert for Teresa Conlon and Michael Woods and I am sure I saw her birth details online,was it 1862?
Did you know they had a baby boy,Patrick in 1897 but he died the following day...In the 1901 census they are living at 26 Summer Place along with her sister Elizabeth and his brother Laurence,my grandfather.What was the name of your greatgrandmother,Teresas sister.I believe Summer Place is now the site of Summerhill bus garage..
Paul
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Hi Paul,
I've got theresa's (esther teresa) baptism in 1863. My great grandmother's name was Mary and she was born in 1862, married in 1880 to James Sinnott.
It sounds like Summer Place was very overcrowded. As Gaffy said, it sounds like there could have been sanitation issues. That can't have been a good situation to give birth or bring up children.
Thanks for the info about Summerhill bus garage being on the site of Summer Place. If I get back to Dublin for a visit, I'll have a stroll around the area. Most of my ancestors seem to have lived within a few streets of each other.
Pet50ite
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Hi this is my line as well.
Patrick Woods and Rose Gaynor had Mary Woods (my great nan) who married Patrick Wall.
Mary's brother was Michael Woods (great Uncle) who married Teresa Conlan (great aunt by marriage)((I found her birth certificate as 24/02/1863 address 16 Summer Place))
I have also found two trips to the Poor House for Teresa in 1892 & 1893.
Paulbduffy - Lawrence Woods I have as married to Christina Larkin their daughter married Dennis Duffy their children Dennis J Duffy and Paul B Duffy - so we are distant relatives I believe
Regards
Mandy
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Hi Mandy,
It was very interesting to see your message about your great uncle marrying Teresa Conlon. It might just be the boost I need to get back into family history research (I lost impetus when Covid came along and haven't been back since). If I can get my head on straight, I will look into the Conlons again. I will have to go through all my (copious) notes and see if I had any information on Teresa being in the poor house.
Thank you so much for possibly reigniting my interest in family history.
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I have evidence of her workhouse visits and her siblings
Mandy
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Apologies I did not mean to cause an issue removed from my post
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Hi Mandy,
Thank you for your offer. However, I still haven't motivated myself enough to get back into research yet. When I get over my lazyitis, I might get in touch with you on here ;D.
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Of course no problem
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Some links for others reading-
Lawrence Woods I have as married to Christina Larkin…
Marriage 10 October 1909 at St Agatha RC Church, Dublin.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10036/5650397.pdf
1911 census
House 41.2 in Dorset Street, Upper (Rotunda, Dublin).
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rotunda/Dorset_Street__Upper/41441/
Five children up to 1919.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01t43/
…their daughter married Dennis Duffy
Catherine Woods to Denis Duffy - 19 August 1942 at St Columba's RC Church, Dublin.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1942/08804/5182932.pdf
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My nans family lived in upper Dorset st
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My grandfathers brother Michael Woods was married to a Teresa Conlon,she died in 1920.They lived in 26 Summer Place in the 1901 & 1911 census along with her younger sister Elizabeth Conlon.
The following links which haven't yet been highlighted in this thread.
Marriage - 10 November 1895 at Dublin RC Pro Cathedral.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1895/10545/5840978.pdf
1901 census
House 26 in Summer Place (Mountjoy, Dublin).
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Mountjoy/Summer_Place/1326563/
1911 census
House 26 in Summer Place (Mountjoy, Dublin).
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Mountjoy/Summer_Place/27267/
Death of Teresa Woods - 14 May 1920
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1920/05123/4410157.pdf
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Summer Place tenements circa 1950s.
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This may not be directly relevant to the OPs post, but it connects to Summer Place...
I have just received a postcard from an ebay seller which shows our little northish Wales village.
The handwritten message on the back is as follows:
Addressed to:
Miss E Christie
29 Summer Place
Dublin
Postmarked: JA26 04 Jan26th 1904, presumably.
Llangynog and Oswestry, (N.Wales and the Marches)
Dearest Ellie
I shall write in a day or two I am expecting the Photos to send one for you.
Dear Ellie I dont know ow I shall feel when I go back to Llandovery and not to see you there. Had I known that you would be gone away I should have come [home?].. 12 o'clock even.
So just another name for a resident of Summer Place in 1904.
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Should anybody require any of the following,just ask
A)The Conlans mentioned in The Irish Times newspaper (1859-1901) at North Summer St. Nos.1,3,41 & 44.
B0 The Conlans mentioned in Slaters Directory 1894
C0 The names of occupants of Nos 1-24 Summer Place as mentioned in the Irish Times (1859-1901)
FelixQuaxer