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Title: Witness Signature for 1788 Marriage
Post by: Les de B on Monday 28 January 13 04:14 GMT (UK)
Could someone decipher these 2 witness signatures from a 1788 Marriage please? See how close you get to my guess?

Thanks

Les
Title: Re: Witness Signature for 1788 Marriage
Post by: hollzy on Monday 28 January 13 04:23 GMT (UK)
William Hammatt
Nick Vining
       :D
Title: Re: Witness Signature for 1788 Marriage
Post by: veeblevort on Monday 28 January 13 04:29 GMT (UK)
I think Richd Vining.

vv.
Title: Re: Witness Signature for 1788 Marriage
Post by: hollzy on Monday 28 January 13 04:43 GMT (UK)
I see the d with a curl now, my mistake, Rich'd could be it.
Title: Re: Witness Signature for 1788 Marriage
Post by: Billyblue on Monday 28 January 13 05:02 GMT (UK)
I see W + another initial either W or M + Hammatt
and
Arch Vining

Dawn M
Title: Re: Witness Signature for 1788 Marriage
Post by: PrueM on Monday 28 January 13 05:55 GMT (UK)
Could the first name perhaps be Hammall?  I agree with his first name being William, and the other being Rich[ar]d Vining.
Title: Re: Witness Signature for 1788 Marriage
Post by: Les de B on Monday 28 January 13 06:36 GMT (UK)
Thanks to ALL for your responses.

I thought "Wm (William) Hammett" and "Rich (Richard) Vining", though Pru's thought of "Hammell" could be correct too as I'm not quite sure what the bit is in between the 2 signatures is? Is it part of the 2 signatures or a scribble?

I'm just trying to confirm the marriage is the one I'm after by trying to link the witnesses names to the bride or groom. No luck so far.

Les

 
Title: Re: Witness Signature for 1788 Marriage
Post by: PrueM on Monday 28 January 13 07:08 GMT (UK)
I think the scribble is probably either an extra extravagance by Mr Hammall/Hammatt, or the monogram of someone else.  Very swirly!
Title: Re: Witness Signature for 1788 Marriage
Post by: Les de B on Monday 28 January 13 07:46 GMT (UK)
Quote from: PrueM on Monday 28 January 13 07:08 GMT (UK)
I think the scribble is probably either an extra extravagance by Mr Hammall/Hammatt, or the monogram of someone else.  Very swirly!

Certainly is  ;D
Title: Re: Witness Signature for 1788 Marriage
Post by: Standfast on Monday 28 January 13 11:56 GMT (UK)
I think the the first name in the second signature is a shortening of archibald - with a small d on the end of arch as it is often written.

Standfast
Title: Re: Witness Signature for 1788 Marriage
Post by: MaureeninNY on Monday 28 January 13 12:17 GMT (UK)
There's a marriage on A*try (1788 Battersea) between William HAMMATT and Hannah LUDLOW.

I'm pretty sure the signatures are the same.


Maureen
Title: Re: Witness Signature for 1788 Marriage
Post by: Billyblue on Monday 28 January 13 13:42 GMT (UK)
The squiggle after the first signature could be J.P. - some JPs like to put the fact on official documents.

Dawn M
Title: Re: Witness Signature for 1788 Marriage
Post by: Bookbox on Monday 28 January 13 14:48 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Billyblue on Monday 28 January 13 13:42 GMT (UK)
The squiggle after the first signature could be J.P.

Or perhaps Jr [ = Junior]
Title: Re: Witness Signature for 1788 Marriage
Post by: Les de B on Tuesday 05 February 13 11:54 GMT (UK)
Thanks for extra bits of information.

I've checked Maureen's theory of the similar signatures. Yes, they appear "spot on", even down to the very same scribble. Good work Maureen  :)

Les

 
Title: Re: Witness Signature for 1788 Marriage
Post by: MaureeninNY on Tuesday 05 February 13 12:49 GMT (UK)
 :) :) :) Thanks,Les! I wouldn't want to try to forge THAT signature. :)


Maureen