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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Durham => England => Durham Lookup Requests => Topic started by: liverbirds on Sunday 27 January 13 12:51 GMT (UK)
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Hi can any one help with this gent please, I am helping my friend with her family and he is her Gt Grandfather who on the 1881 census is shown as a school master aged 47 yrs with his wife Elizabeth and family in High Coniscliffe, in 1871 he is shown age 34 yrs living with his wife Elizabeth and daughter at Great Lumley, they are both teachers. In both the census he claims his birthplace as Hetton and South Hetton, my problem is that I cant trace him further back through census or birth records, I appreciate the ages do not match on these census but you would think that something would be obvious from earlier census. It did cross my mind that he may have gone abroad and that is why he is missing from earlier census,and I did find a chap of the same name leaving Liverpool for New York on the ship "Webster" but none for him returning in the time frame and sadly it does not give the areas the passenger was from.
Can any one enlighten which district,parish,county would his claimed birthplace have come under for the birth years shown, any help would really be appreciated cheers L.B
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Hi
You have posted on the Northumberland board but isn't Hetton in Durham - not Northumberland?
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Carole is correct- South Hetton was in County Durham.
Specifically: in the Parish of Easington St Mary* until 1838 and thereafter a parish in its own right (Holy Trinity)
http://www.durhamrecordoffice.org.uk/Pages/AdvancedSearchPlaceNamesResults.aspx?SearchType=PlaceAtoZ&SearchStart=S
* http://joinermarriageindex.co.uk/pjoiner/genuki/DUR/Easington/index.html
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I've asked the moderator to move it to the Durham board for you
Do you have a copy of his marriage cert showing his fathers name and occupation?
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Carole is correct- South Hetton was in County Durham.
Specifically: in the Parish of Easington St Mary* until 1838 and thereafter a parish in its own right (Holy Trinity)
Durham Records Online has the Easington St Mary baptisms from 1798 to 1951. No results on Isaac Johnson from that source.
As Carole has said - you need to know his father's name.
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This appears to be his marriage reg from freebmd
Marriages March qtr 1867
Elizabeth Campbell Auckland 10a 191
Isaac Johnson
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Thank you all so much for your very prompt replies and in correcting my mistake in thinking the area was Northumberland. I am flying blind with this one as these details are only gleaned from census and the free details as you have said from his marriage to Elizabeth Campbell, the family has been checked back from what we know from his grandson's marriage. So I will try the suggestions you have made i.e the two Parishes. No, we dont have a copy of his marriage cert, as I am doing this for my friend I am trying to do as much from records as I can without incurring too many costs for her, probably the wrong way. If it was for myself I would not hesitate. Thanks for all your interest, It will be interesting to see where this goes as the rest of her family have been quite easy from records, but Isaac is a mystery man cheers l.b
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In 1891 I notice that Elizabeth is a widow living with her family in the same building as a Henry Johnson aged 70 born Stonegrave, Yorkshire. Henry has a son aged 38 who was born in South Hetton in 1853.
Looks like the elder 'Henry' may possibly be a relation of Isaac Johnson.
mim
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Hi Mim, thanks for your input and info. I had realised from records that Isaac had passed away in Sept quarter of 1889, and I had a note to myself to check out Elizabeth on the 1891 census. Before she married Isaac she is shown as a 19 yr old on the 1861 at 2 Colliery Yard,Sunny Brow, Crook with her mother Isabella Campbell and family. I will go to the library (subs run out on) and check your info out as the chance is that if Henry Johnson is in the picture this may be how she met Isaac. As he was a teacher he must have moved around a lot. Thanks once again l.b
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There is an 1851 entry for an Isaac Johnson b 1839 Darlington - parents Isaac & Ann and he also appears on the 1841 census for Darlington aged 2yrs
There is no other entry for an Isaac Johnson/Johnston in Durham
The Henry Johnson on the 1891 is too young to be Isaac's father. Henry in 1861 is born 1824 and married to Ann
If you buy a copy of Isaac's marriage cert and get his fathers name - it should then be relatively easy to trace him back
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I'm of the opinion that there must be some relationship in 1891 as both families are recorded as if they are of one household.
It's possible that the elder Henry is Isaac Johnson's brother.
mim
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Hi to both of you, Thank you for the encouragement in this search, I will check the census out as you say Mim they must be related in some way possibly cousins if not brother's, and just looking at Family Search I see the 1891 census you mention was taken in Crook where Elizabeth came from so I will definitely check it out, coincidence or what . Carole I am also thinking of suggesting to my friend to buy the marriage cert as you say it would cut out all searching for sure, If I am successful in all of this search it will have given her a family back to her Gt Gt Gt Grandparents on both sides of her Paternal/maternal family apart from Isaac's immediate family, all that she had previous were her parents names and she is 72yrs old so I am quite pleased and very certain that the records I have found to date are the right ones. It has just taken hours of using the library computer which has been very useful bit of a bind going there but worth the effort, not many people in our little town doing family history. Cheers for now l.b
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I agree that there is a probable relationship but Henry was b Yorkshire 1821-1824 and Isaac was b Durham 1836/37. It's possible that Henry was Isaac's uncle
By 1851 - Henry was married and his eldest son Thomas b 1845 was b Yorkshire as was his wife. (There is a 7yr gap between Thomas and next child who was b Durham so may have been a second marriage or Thomas may belong to his wife)
The 1851 entry for Isaac I mentioned earlier shows his father Isaac was b Croft Yorkshire 1806
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Hi just to say that I took it on myself to order Isaac and Elizabeth's marriage certificate and it states the marriage took place in the Parish church of Crook, the couple were both school teachers and Isaac's father was Thomas Johnson a farmer, at the time of the marriage Isaac was resident at Bitchburn and Elizabeth was at Sunnybrow. I have done a birth search on Isaac with the added of info of his father Thomas with no result and at the moment I am trawling through the transcript records for Easington on Family search for the Johnson family, had no luck to date.
Would like to pick your brains on this idea, with the possible Yorkshire connection (Henry Johnson) if Isaac was born in Durham whilst his mother was visiting would they have been silly enough to leave his baptism till they arrived home considering the infant motality rate in those days. Any ideas any one can throw in are very welcome, cheers l.b :)