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Title: Agnes Muir. Where was she?
Post by: Lallie111 on Monday 21 January 13 21:57 GMT (UK)

Agnes was my gg grandmother and I'm trying to find her and her daughters on the 1911 census.  Now I've tried every means I can think of for a long time now and haven't found her.  I'm thinking that she was probably missed off the census but before I give up I thought I'd ask for the help of you kind people a perhaps fresh eyes might help.

She was born Agnes Laing c1851 in Scotland, the reason I'm so keen on finding her in 1911 is the hope that a more definitive birth place is given.  I do have a family in mind for Agnes by process of elimination but without a place of birth I'm reluctant to add them to my tree.

Anyway as I  said, she was born Agnes Laing, daughter of William Laing a  Blacksmith and married William Muir in Newcastle in 1872.  They had several children including 2 daughters Alice and Angelina who are also missing from the census.  I know they are all alive  as I have Agnes' death cert for 1923 and both girls marriages after 1911. 

William died in 1895 and in 1901 Agnes seems  to be in the workhouse in Newcastle (the age is slightly out but I think its her).  She does die in the workhouse in 1923 but her address is given as her sons house in Newcastle so I'm thinking perhaps she was a patient rather than an inmate.  Anyway I've searched through the workhouse census in 1911 and there's no sign of her or her daughters.

Angelina btw marries under the name of Lena (I thought I'd had a breakthrough when I discovered that but it hasn't helped). This particular troublesome young lady isn't to be found (by me anyway) on any census since she was a baby.  I do have both of the daughters marriage certs -1914 and 1916ish (I'm away from my records) and had hoped to locate them with the addresses from there but they weren't there in 1911.

Any help, advice or suggestions would be gratefully received.

Title: Re: Agnes Muir. Where was she?
Post by: sillgen on Monday 21 January 13 22:09 GMT (UK)

Unfortunately we cannot do 1911 look ups.  Lots of tips here though

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,492718.0.html

Title: Re: Agnes Muir. Where was she?
Post by: kevinf2349 on Monday 21 January 13 22:27 GMT (UK)

What are the years of birth for the two girls?

Kevin

Title: Re: Agnes Muir. Where was she?
Post by: Lallie111 on Monday 21 January 13 22:57 GMT (UK)

Thanks for the link to the hints and tips, very useful.  Its not really a look up a such I'm requesting as I do have access to the census myself. OP

Kevin, the girls births are Alice 1885 and Angelina 1890.  Alice is with her brother in 1901 as [as Muire)

Title: Re: Agnes Muir. Where was she?
Post by: ..claire.. on Tuesday 22 January 13 00:11 GMT (UK)

Hi

Not having much luck. The only reference to Agnes is on her son Alfred Muirs WW1 Pension Records, dated 1914, her address then

32 Wesley Street
Newcastle upon Tyne

claire

Title: Re: Agnes Muir. Where was she?
Post by: Lallie111 on Tuesday 22 January 13 09:09 GMT (UK)

Thanks for trying Claire, yes that is the address my grandfather was born at in 1900 and married from and is the address given on Agnes' death.

Title: Re: Agnes Muir. Where was she?
Post by: Tomscot on Tuesday 22 January 13 15:51 GMT (UK)

 Hi,
    I see you are looking for a Agnes Muir,my Mother Family were Muirs. The family came from Glasgow, she was born there, but the family moved to Dundee.
   Maybe it would be worth trying the Scottish side of Rootchat,the Muirs are scattered all over Scotland,I have relations around the borders,so you might be lucky.
                                                                             Just a thought,
                                                                                               Regards
                                                                                                           Tomscot ;)

Title: Re: Agnes Muir. Where was she?
Post by: Lallie111 on Tuesday 22 January 13 16:29 GMT (UK)

Thanks Tom but Agnes was a Laing by birth, she married William Muir.  He was.  born in Glasgow or at least it says that in one of the scottish census, i havent found his birth. But the family moved to Edinburgh and then William to Newcastle.

Title: Re: Agnes Muir. Where was she?
Post by: JenB on Tuesday 22 January 13 16:40 GMT (UK)

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Angelina btw marries under the name of Lena (I thought I'd had a breakthrough when I discovered that but it hasn't helped). This particular troublesome young lady isn't to be found (by me anyway) on any census since she was a baby.

This doesn't help with your main problem, but the closest I can get to Angelina Muir in 1901 is a 10-year-old  Ann Muir who is a servant with a Dixon family in City Road. RG 13 / 4785/ 44/ 14

I can't see a birth of an Ann Muir in Newcastle nor can I see her on the 1891 census :-\

Title: Re: Agnes Muir. Where was she?
Post by: AlisdairGB on Tuesday 22 January 13 17:03 GMT (UK)

Daft point, but have you checked under "Moore" ?

I have found several missing people because the enumerators misheard, or misunderstood, or simply misspelled the name. Another point is that as "Ditto" was used on the census forms, if person one is wrong, the whole family is.

Title: Re: Agnes Muir. Where was she?
Post by: Lallie111 on Tuesday 22 January 13 17:47 GMT (UK)

Thanks to both.  Yes I have tried under everything I can think of.  I suppose it was a bit much to expect others to find what I haven't been able to but thank you all for the help.

Interesting about the Ann Muir Jen .  I know it doesn't help but it would satisfy my curiosity if I knew where Angelina was in 1901.  I'll go and have a look.

Title: Re: Agnes Muir. Where was she?
Post by: AlisdairGB on Wednesday 23 January 13 16:41 GMT (UK)

Sorry for another obvious point, but have you looked for "Senga"?

I know a couple of people called Agnes who don't like the name so use Senga. A long shot, but worth checking

Title: Re: Agnes Muir. Where was she?
Post by: Tickettyboo on Wednesday 23 January 13 18:27 GMT (UK)

Do you know 'where' in Scotland Agnes was born?

What I meant to say was are you aware of a middle name for her?

There is an Agnes Reid Laing, father William, born in Fife in 1851
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XB1H-S8G

and she is on the census in Scotland in 1861 with her family, in Fifie

Boo

Title: Re: Agnes Muir. Where was she?
Post by: AlisdairGB on Thursday 24 January 13 08:15 GMT (UK)

There's an Agnes Muir in South Shields on 1911 census.

Age shown as 62 ( not far out from your Agnes) , and South Shields isn't that far from Newcastle.