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Title: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: gracie23 on Monday 21 January 13 11:52 GMT (UK)
Not sure if this was posted already but I know what I'll be doing on Thursday!  ;D

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Online-Irish-History-Day-launched-with-21-million-birth-marriage-and-death-records-released-187578211.html (http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Online-Irish-History-Day-launched-with-21-million-birth-marriage-and-death-records-released-187578211.html)

Deb
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: tomahurra on Monday 21 January 13 13:05 GMT (UK)
thank you
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: DoireM on Monday 21 January 13 13:08 GMT (UK)
Many thanks for the post gracie23, roll on Thursday!  :)
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: Ruskie on Monday 21 January 13 13:53 GMT (UK)
I have just writtein myself a reminder note. I don't expect I will find anything, but it'll be fun looking. Thanks for letting us know.
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: kingskerswell on Monday 21 January 13 14:20 GMT (UK)
Thanks Gracie: there will be so many of us trying to get on the site will probably buckle under the load!!

Regards
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: Ruskie on Monday 21 January 13 14:22 GMT (UK)
Does anyone know if you have to register with FindMyPast.ie to search, or are you able to search the Irish records through the .co.uk site? Or can anyone get access to Irish records whether registered or not? Also, time wise, is it 24 hours access or just Thursday daytime Irish time?  ;)
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 21 January 13 14:25 GMT (UK)
More info:-

http://britishgenes.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/findmypast-to-launch-irish-bmd-indexes.html

Sandra
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: silaswall on Monday 21 January 13 14:47 GMT (UK)
Thank you for that.
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: eadaoin on Monday 21 January 13 21:12 GMT (UK)
It sounds interesting ...

but is there anything that isn't on Familysearch already?
or are these the actual records, not just the indexes?

eadaoin
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: Treetotal on Monday 21 January 13 21:18 GMT (UK)
Good to know...thanks for the link.
Carol
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: Ruskie on Monday 21 January 13 23:12 GMT (UK)
After reading the link provided by Sandra, this is what I wondered:

It sounds interesting ...

but is there anything that isn't on Familysearch already?
or are these the actual records, not just the indexes?

eadaoin

Sometimes they promise the world, and it seems like they are offering a lot, but there's nothing much new or of real value. Eg. census - there are only two of them and they are already free for everyone.  :-\ It will be interesting to see, and of course you can't really complain about anything that is free. :)
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: jc26red on Thursday 24 January 13 06:53 GMT (UK)
Unless I'm doing something wrong, nothing is free today :-\
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: ShaunJ on Thursday 24 January 13 07:22 GMT (UK)
There's a promo code - see http://www.findmypast.ie/content/irish-family-history-day
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: jc26red on Thursday 24 January 13 09:01 GMT (UK)
50 credits only not all free all day...
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: aghadowey on Thursday 24 January 13 09:37 GMT (UK)
As I suspected   >:(

Registered, got 50 free credits (not quite the 'free all day' that was advertised) and did a search for my great-grandmother's surname and the county. I've done extensive research on the name and sat for days in Dublin years ago copying each entry (in all of Ireland) in BMD registers, so...

7 results for BMD- 2 births, 2 marriages, 1 death, 1 will index entry (1839), 1 Tipperary Clan Archive (no idea what this would be).

Now, I know the name is fairly uncommon in that county but it isn't rare and I have pages of births, deaths and marriages for them in that county alone.

To compare, LDS civil registration index lists 88 births (first 2 in list are the ones at FindMyPast), 46 marriages, 83 deaths.
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: ShaunJ on Thursday 24 January 13 09:50 GMT (UK)
I found a lot of mentions ( I mean a lot - 60 or 70 images found so far) in the court of petty sessions records for one of my relatives . Mostly for being drunk on the street in Bundoran or on the road home to Magheracar, but not entirely. Very interesting - a goldmine of information.

Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: trigger happy on Thursday 24 January 13 10:14 GMT (UK)
Agreed that this is a BIG letdown, completely not what was advertised.

50 credits does not go very far when you need to look at many records to find the right one.
I am out of credits already and will not be buying any more.

Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: Ruskie on Thursday 24 January 13 10:37 GMT (UK)
Um ....  found nothing ..... spent ages watching that timer going round ... and round .... and round whenever I refine my search - even selecting or deselecting one of the search terms sends the thing into a spin. Not terribly user friendly. Very slow. No obvious BMDs for any of my family. Nothing to convince me to take out a subscription. I still have 50 credits.  :(

I might try again later ......  :-\
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: shanew147 on Thursday 24 January 13 10:40 GMT (UK)
pretty sure that the 'new' 21 million BMD  records, are the same as the ones on FamilySearch, and also on Ancestry. There may be some extracted records included but most are Index records, rather than actual BMD records.

Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: aghadowey on Thursday 24 January 13 10:41 GMT (UK)
Agreed that this is a BIG letdown, completely not what was advertised.

50 credits does not go very far when you need to look at many records to find the right one.
I am out of credits already and will not be buying any more.

Can I ask what sort of information you got for your spent credits? I'm wondering if I spend credits to view a birth, death or marriage entry exactly what details are shown...
One thing the index does show is spouse's name for marriage.
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: tidybooks on Thursday 24 January 13 10:41 GMT (UK)
Hi All,

I followed the link above for the 50 credits, input id and password, put details in, it says password incorrect. I left that went to FindMyPast site, and logged in with same id and password, and this was accepted. So I cannot activate the voucher for 50 credits.

Tom
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: BumbleB on Thursday 24 January 13 11:06 GMT (UK)
How I agree about a let down  ;)  The BMD records are merely the index entries.  So gives you quarter, year, Registration District and page number.  Not what I was expecting to see, obviously.

A very good thing that it was free  :
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: tidybooks on Thursday 24 January 13 11:26 GMT (UK)
Let down, no, I am feeling rather positive. I am rather positive that I will not be subscribing to FindMyPast. These are not BMD records, they are part of an Index.

Tom.
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: trigger happy on Thursday 24 January 13 11:32 GMT (UK)
Agreed that this is a BIG letdown, completely not what was advertised.

50 credits does not go very far when you need to look at many records to find the right one.
I am out of credits already and will not be buying any more.

Can I ask what sort of information you got for your spent credits? I'm wondering if I spend credits to view a birth, death or marriage entry exactly what details are shown...
One thing the index does show is spouse's name for marriage.

I was looking at some petty sessions records. Scant detail in there. Also looking at some US census records.
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: scotmum on Thursday 24 January 13 11:35 GMT (UK)
For those wondering what if any differences there are between the 'new' Irish  FindMyPast offerings and the existing Irish Civil Registration Index at familysearch, one I would highlight as perhaps beneficial to some is that on the Marriage index search, FindMyPast list the potential spouse, based on the names on the same volume/page......familysearch do not.
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 24 January 13 11:50 GMT (UK)
Oh it's potential spouse  ;D I thought all the men were killing off the wife and getting a new one.

Haven't found anything, except perhaps Landed Estate Court Rentals but not sure if I should have a look or not -30credits-, is the name on the search result the Landlord or the tenent?
Anyone know?!
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: shanew147 on Thursday 24 January 13 11:51 GMT (UK)
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Haven't found anything, except perhaps Landed Estate Court Rentals but not sure if I should have a look or not -30credits-, is the name on the search result the Landlord or the tenent?
Anyone know?!

potential spouses - often 4

Usually the tenant, but the landlord also appears, and often the tenant also appears in the index, so you often see two entries. I'd try the 2nd entry, if there is one, for the details.
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: tidybooks on Thursday 24 January 13 12:00 GMT (UK)
Hi ,

I did not think much of the potential spouse, gives a 1 in 4 chance. Thats OK for a horse in the Cheltenham Gold Cup but not an exact science in genealogical terms.

Tom
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: scotmum on Thursday 24 January 13 12:10 GMT (UK)
True, but believe me, a 1 in 4 chance is a lot quicker than making a multitude of educated guesses and trawling through each individually on familysearch in hope that a page/volume will indeed match (and believe me I and many others have often done suchlike in attempts to help folks with their Irish research).
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: scotmum on Thursday 24 January 13 12:15 GMT (UK)
Oh it's potential spouse  ;D I thought all the men were killing off the wife and getting a new one.

I think many have that thought having failed to read the 'blurb' posted by FindMyPast saying:

Quote
...Our search matches people found on the same page of a register (volume). You will see that your ancestor is listed alongside several possible spouses. This does not mean that your ancestor married each of these people!....

I am sure many do not read this and have entered all the 'marriages' on their tree against their ancestor.
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 24 January 13 12:22 GMT (UK)
Thanks Shanew, think I'll look around a bit more before using up 30 credits.
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: tidybooks on Thursday 24 January 13 12:53 GMT (UK)
Hi Scotsmum,

I wasn't lucky enough to find the correct couples anyway. I had read the warnings, but I would think much more user-friendly if it gave you the one actual spouse!

The births weren't much fun either, only 1 of mines did I get a mother, all the rest no parents. That might not be FindMyPast's fault, overall, an experience which will not be repeated.

Tom
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: shanew147 on Thursday 24 January 13 13:03 GMT (UK)
Unfortunately the Index alone cannot narrow a marriage down any further - just the possible partners for a marriage, based on the other Index records with the same page number etc.

The mother's maiden name is included in index entries from the late 1920s. Like FamilySearch the Index will only cover Northern Ireland up to the end of 1921.

If extracted records are included based on the FamilySearch data then these cover details from the start of civil registration up to about 1880 for certain areas, and do show further details, such as parent's names on births etc.
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: LH on Thursday 24 January 13 14:10 GMT (UK)
Good idea - bad information

Logged on for the "Free" day and proceeded to search for my family.  Pulled up one member quickly but was astounded to see a "2nd spouse" listed.   Full name of 2nd spouse included also.

Knew this was impossible so reverted to familysearch.org.  Turns out that the named 2nd spouse had married an entirely different persom, but in the same year

This means four people have incorrect information showing!

Cheers
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 24 January 13 14:26 GMT (UK)
I'm glad I wasn't looking for a marriage, I just spotted the second spouse thing while looking for a death.

I think it's a great idea but it sure as hell is causing a lot of confusion.

LH you need to read this thread through for the beginning.
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: DudleyWinchurch on Thursday 24 January 13 15:05 GMT (UK)
FindMyPast BMD search has other advantages over the FamilySearch view, as you can list by year (ascending or descending) and use the key words to look for a particular area or registration district (e.g. "Dublin" lists all for Dublin North or Dublin South).  Makes it much easier to search births for potential "missing" children, if you know from 1911 that there should be more.
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: your pete on Thursday 24 January 13 15:08 GMT (UK)
VERY Disapointed - sums up my experiences - Family search does the same job.

website can only improve from this low level???? hopefully
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: aghadowey on Thursday 24 January 13 17:08 GMT (UK)
Still searching the index to see how useful the site may be and getting more annoyed and discouraged.

ON FS or Ancestry you can select a surname and county but when I put in surname and county (Londonderry) I don't get same results (as I mentioned earlier). Then tried putting in registration district (Coleraine) and looked at marriages.
Aunt Etta's 1918 (2nd) marriage is listed (good) with 2 possible spouses- I have the certificate but FindMyPast shows 2 possible grooms- neither is her husband Thomas. At least Ancestry shows all spouses that appear on the same page.
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: alpinecottage on Friday 25 January 13 00:01 GMT (UK)
I've encountered a similar issue as Aghadowey.

I have a marriage certificate for James Comer to Bridget Rafferty from Woodford Reg District, Galwayfrom 1866.  I'm not getting it coming up on FindMyPast, though it is on Family Search  :-\
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: Rosie (MaccHistorian) on Friday 25 January 13 02:43 GMT (UK)
Hi All,

I followed the link above for the 50 credits, input id and password, put details in, it says password incorrect. I left that went to FindMyPast site, and logged in with same id and password, and this was accepted. So I cannot activate the voucher for 50 credits.

Tom

Even if you have already registered to use the uk FindMyPast site, you need to register again with FindMyPast.ie. You will then be able to use the credits.

I don't understand why people are complaining. If you read the info on the website it tells you what records they have, and how to use them. I didn't find anything but have used my credits to look at some US census and passenger list records instead. If it had been free all day the site would have fallen over and everyone would be complaining about not being able to get on the site at all, as has happened on other sites in the past.
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: Ruskie on Friday 25 January 13 06:03 GMT (UK)
I suppose people might be wondering why FindMyPast Ireland exists as a pay site when it seems that most/many of it's "collections" are available elsewhere for free. Just a little sneaky perhaps?  :)

I still haven't found any of mine. Does anyone know if we have 90 days to use up the 50 free credits like other FMPs?
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: alpinecottage on Friday 25 January 13 08:22 GMT (UK)

 Does anyone know if we have 90 days to use up the 50 free credits like other FMPs?

I think it's 30 days - it says  offer valid until 31 Jan, credits last for 30 days after activation.
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: Ruskie on Friday 25 January 13 08:26 GMT (UK)
Thanks alpinecottage. I haven't found anything yet ... but am still looking. :)
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: mshrmh on Friday 25 January 13 11:46 GMT (UK)
I tried yesterday & also didn't find anything new. I went on earlier to see if credit were still there - they are. I also checked the settings on "my account" - there are options on there that are not on the UK version relating to personal data & sharing so anyone who's just signed up may want to check they're happy with the defaults or otherwise make changes.

Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: LH on Friday 25 January 13 14:30 GMT (UK)
Wrote yesterday that the website quotes the name of my g grandfather's 2nd spouse ... despite the fact he only married once and pre-deceased his wife!

Today I notice the website shows wrong information for my grandfather also.  It:
(1) names a total stranger as his wife
(2) makes matters worse by listing his real wife as his "2nd spouse"
(3) doesn't mention or name my grandfather's 2nd wife/spouse

In the case of two grand aunts, I located their marriages and paid for the images, only to find the fathers names now missing for all four people. 

All this confusion will result in lots of unnecessary work for people tracing family ties.

Cheers



Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: scotmum on Friday 25 January 13 14:41 GMT (UK)
On the right hand side of the page the marriage result is returned, FindMyPast have very clearly stated the reason for apparent multiple spouses......if you read the blurb next to the transcription, it is explained. The problem is, many are not reading/understanding same and assuming it is literally a 2nd, 3rd marriage etc........perhaps FindMyPast should reconsider their wording on the transcript part of the result.

The results are statutory indexes, so as such, none of the images will contain parents details.
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: LH on Friday 25 January 13 15:22 GMT (UK)
Hi Scotmum,

In twenty years doing genealogy, I've never encountered such confusion in a website.

Regardless of their small print - my grandfather is wrongly shown marrying a stranger as his 1st wife!

No amount of explanation on their page can correct this, nor the other two inaccuracies on his 2nd marriage....

Yes, I agree FindMyPast should review the issue, plus all the others mentioned.

Cheers
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: shanew147 on Friday 25 January 13 15:31 GMT (UK)
As Scotmum mentions, the captions are a little misleading..there's no 1st marriage, 2nd marriage The names simply correspond to other people with the same Index references, i.e. the same year/quarter, registration district , volume number & page. These people appear on the same page of the register and each one of them are a potential spouse. There's no way to tell from the index alone which one of these married.
Title: Re: Worth Noting! Free Record Access - Online Irish History Day January 24!
Post by: DudleyWinchurch on Friday 25 January 13 16:08 GMT (UK)
Yes, I am shocked at all the criticism. 

Yes, these are just the same indexes as on FamilySearch as far as I can see, but, with the addition of several levels of search refinement, including the one that most people who struggled with the marriages on the FS index have asked for, the possibility of seeing all the options of the possible spouses that appear on the same registration page.

There is, what appeared to me, a clear, and fairly large print, explanation of this information.  Is it that this database has attracted many searchers who are not already familiar with the pre-1912 UK BMD records?

The fault seems to be in that they have tried to explain why there are options, rather than just waiting for those who haven't previously used a BMD index to come and ask us here on RootsChat!