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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Norfolk => Topic started by: velcro on Monday 21 January 13 08:37 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Seeking assistance with census records of
Matthew Robert and Mary Ann Dickason nee Clark.
Migrated 1857 From Southampton ENG to Victoria AUS 1857 per Sabrina.
They married 9 Aug 1832 Norfolk ENG.
Matthew's parents Matthew and Hannah Dickason nee Chilvers.
Mary 's parent ? John and Lydia Clark.
Would like assistance with BDM records for them and any other children please?
Mary Ann's children: b.abt.
Hannah 1837
Robert 1837
John 1839
Sarah Ann 1843
Mary Ann 1845
Robert 1847
Charlotte 1850
Harriet 1852
Harriet 1854
Louisa 1857
Lydia. 1860
Have their abt b. and ch year but not dates and places.? Necton Norfolk ENG.
Cheers
Velcro
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Hi Velcro
Since you are asking for Census help, even the 'abt' years that you have etc would be of help!
However, I'm referring this back to your topic of 2010, in which the 1851 Census was seemingly found for you, of Matthew & Mary - in Lambeth with 5 children.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=427758.0
Is the list of children you have given here in order? If so, then clearly any born after Charlotte won't be on any Census in the UK, since they left in 1857.
That 2010 topic also mentioned:
"A Mary Clark married a Matthew Dickerson/Dickenson 1838 in Marylebone, father John Clark, Shepherd - the only Mary Ann Clarke married 1832 Norfolk was 9/8/1832 Necton, Norfolk to a Samuel Dickson" So I'm curious, have you also since made discovery that the 9 Aug 1832 Necton marriage was Mary Ann & Matthew? and the 1838 Marylebone marriage is NOT them? )
Cheers
AMBLY
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They married 9 Aug 1832 Norfolk ENG
Lydia. 1860
Was she really born 28yrs after her parents married?
When was Mary Ann born?
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The only Dickason/Clark marriage in Necton in 1832 is
Samuel Dickason to Ann Clark on 10 Aug
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0son/
yokel
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As pointed out to you in 2010 the marriage at Necton in 1832 was between a Samuel Dickason and an Ann Clark. Samuel would appear to be your Matthews brother and quite possibily Ann was a sister of Mary. The name 'Samuel' is not a mistake on the marriage record, Samuel and Ann had a son Samuel bp.9/12/1832 Necton and a son William bp.6.8/1835 Necton!
Again, as already pointed out to you, Matthew Robert was plain Matthew, wife Mary Clarke was plain Mary not Mary Ann. The 1851 census details have already been given to you and cannot locate them anywhere in 1841.
The eldest child - Hannah - was, again as already advised, bp.23/5/1836 Necton, illeg. dau. of Mary Clarke i.e. Matthew and Mary had not married then.
There are a number of online trees for this family that are somewhat up the pole to put it bluntly. Someone seems to have posted incorrect information and everyone else has just copied it. Matthew and Mary's dau. Sarah Ann for example - one tree I looked at states she was b.10/5/1843 Lambeth (which she may well have been) and bp.30/6/1844 St. George the Martyr, Southwark. I've just looked on St. George the Martyr records for 30/6/1844 and the only entry this date is a Hannah Sarah Dickeson , dau. of Henry John and Elizabeth!!!!
As to all the children you list - they didn't appear to baptise any of them in London!
The 'trees' state John was b.1839 Richmond, Victoria (when the family hadn't even left England)
Robert b. & d.1841 but no places given at all.
then comes Sarah Ann - birth regn. June qtr. 1843 Lambeth (which fits)
Mary (not Mary Ann) - reg'd Sept.1845 Marylebone
Robert - regd. Sept.1847 Marylebone
Charlotte - cannot even find a birth registration for her
As the 2 Harriet's born after 1851 do not know where they were born so can't pinpoint their birth registrations even. The last 2 would appear to have been born in Australia.
Annette
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Dear Carole
Could you do a lookup for Matthew Dickason and Hannah Chilvers please? Before 1st born William 1805 probably Necton or maybe Tottington where Hannah was born in Norfolk?
As stated before First I tried to find the family in 1851 and eventually found them transcribed as Tickason!
Are there census records of Matthew and Mary Dickason in Norfolk?
Other census (not census in Australia) records for this family would be in Victoria Australia after 1854 any sign of them recorded?
Cheers
Velcro
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In 1841 Matthew and Hannah are still in Necton - transcribed as Dickmann!!
Marthen (?) Dickmann 60 Carpenter
Hannah Dickmann 50
James Dickmann 17
Sarah Ann Dickmann 12
ref. HO107 - 773 - 17 - 13 - 20
The 'trees' show Matthew d.31/3/1843 Necton but he wasn't buried there.
Hannah Dickason buried at Necton 19/12/1849.
Can find no trace of Matthew and Mary anywhere in the country in 1841 - sounds like they somehow dodged the enumerator.
Annette
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Dear Annette
No wonder couldn't find them under Dickason.Hard family to sort. Many thanks.
Any records of Matthew and Hannah's marriage date?
Also 1832 or 1838 Marriage date for Matthew and Mary Dickason so confused!
Cheers
Velcro
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Matthew Dickason and Hannah Chilvers married in Tottington 3 May 1803
Yokel
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Velcro
1. Matthew Dickason married Hannah Chilvers 24/4/1803 Necton, Norfolk on familysearch but in view of Yokel's posting this was probably a banns date and that the marriage took place at Torrington 3/5/1803.
2. We seem to be going over the same old ground - Matthew and Mary did not marry in 1832 (that was a Samuel Dickason and an Ann Clark). We've given you proof but you still say you are confused - why?
3. They still hadn't married by 1836 when eldest child Hannah was baptised 23/5/1836 Necton, dau. of Mary Clark. They married in 1838 Marylebone and I have just view the marriage certificate:
Matthew Dickason, Carpenter, son of Matthew Dickason, Carpenter
Mary Clark, dau. of John Clark, Shepherd.
He signed, she made her mark and the witnesses were a John Dickason and J E Blaby
The address given for both of them is 19 Hatton Street and they married 19/3/1838 St. Marylebone
I checked this address on 1841 Census and a William and Rebecca Dickason are living there (ref. HO107 - 678 - 9 - 49 - 24) - believe this is Matthew's brother and clearly who he and Mary first lived with when they moved to London. From marriage certificate/census it would seem that at least 3 of the brothers moved to London i.e. William, John and Matthew.
Matthew and Hannah has the following children baptised at Necton, Norfolk:
William 21/8/1804
Matthew 5/5/1808
Samuel 6/4/1810 (one married in 1832)
Robert 24/6/1814
John 16/3/1816
Thomas 8/12/1817
George 20/12/1819
Elizabeth 6/12/1821
James 6/12/1823
Greenwood 20/3/1826
Sarah Ann bc.1828/9
Annette
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Hi
As Annette says above, the Banns were read in Necton on 10th, 17th and 24th April 1803
Necton Banns
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0sp1/
yokel
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Thank you Annette Yokel and Carole for sorting out my questions and setting me straight.
From Matthew and Mary's children's names have Hannah's mother's maiden name: Greenwood- Sarah Greenwood and Samuel Chilvers.
Will lookup Sarah's bdm and that will bring me further back another generation.
Sorry being a little blonde but that happens at times.
Marathon effort Annette.
Looked up on Google map for 19 Hatton St Marylebone London. Still there.
Have George Dickason ch.17 Mar 1748 Necton m.30 Oct 1777 Necton to Mary unknown b. abt 1752. Any records of her full ch. records and parents?
George died ? Norfolk Mary buried 2 Sep 1815 aged 63.
Death record for George please?
Cheers
Velcro
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Re George Dickason’s marriage in 1777 (think I’m going to have a blonde moment here)
From Necton PR’s (which are available to view online)
George Dickason married Mary Dickason they both signed their names, one of the witnesses was George Dickason who made his mark :-\
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0spn/
yokel
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Dear Yokel
From the marriage cert. do you take it that George Dickason m. Mary Dickason?
That Dickason was her maiden name?
If so maybe a first cousin??
Cheers
Velcro
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Yes, that's what it looks like
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Dear Yokel
Blimey! Another challenge: Tin of worms!
Can we find how she is related? Who are her parents?
Velcro
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Hi Velcro
Good Luck with these :-\
From the Necton Baptism PR's online at Family Search
Mary dau William and Mary Dickerson 7 Dec 1738
Susan dau William and Martha Dickerson 5 Oct 1739
William son William and Martha Dickerson 9 Aug 1741
Ann dau Thomas and Frances Dickerson 19 May 1743
Thomas son Thomas and Ann Dickinson 30 Jany 1746
George son William and Martha Dickinson 18 May 1748
Robert son Thomas and Ann Dickinson 19 March 1748
Ann dau Thomas and Ann Dickinson 3 Jany 1750
Mary dau William and Ann Dickinson 28 April 1754
Ann dau George and Ann Dickerson 4 June 1758
from marriages
William Dickerson and Martha Pilgrim married 10 Oct 1731
yokel
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Dear Yokel
Thanks for that.
Any issues for William and Ann Dickerson nee Bennet m. 6 Nov 1811 Necton Norfolk?
William b. 10 May 1778 Necton & Ann b. 1778 Norfolk no parents as yet?
May of asked before but not sure about children for Matthew Dickason and Mary Clark.
May be grand children mixed in??
Are they?
Hannah,John, Sarah Ann,Mary Ann, Robert,Charlotte Robert,Harriet,Harriet,Louisa and Lydia.
B. dates between 1836-1860??
Cheers
Velcro
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Hi Velcro
William and Ann had Sophia baptised 8 Jan 1812 in Necton, a transcript for Necton baptisms from 1813 onwards can be found here
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tinstaafl/
You can also freely browse at your leisure Necton and many other Norfolk PRs here
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0sqm/
good luck
yokel
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Welcome to the wonderful but messy world of Dickason families.
I have many records from many sources - some of which has not been confirmed.
As noted the early researchers made many mistakes and the spelling of the name has been very mixed - even for the same person the spelling can be different on birth, marriage & death records before you try to find them on census records !
The links to Necton, Norfolk for some of us are proven and I have visited the church and 'pub' where my ancestor lived. Other families are linked to Cambridgeshire including Dickinson families in USA whose DNA has been matched to my cousins in England, South Africa & Argentina.
Velcro : looks like we are related but I am not sure if we have corresponded before - I do not remember that username. Since I am travelling at the moment I do not have my records with me but can ask my son to answer any questions you have.
Graeme Dickason
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Dear Graeme
Lucky thing to be on the move atm.My connection with the Dickason family is Sarah Ann Dickason m. James Henry Price 3 Oct 1861 Hawthorn VIC. AUS.
I have gone back incomplete to George Dickason my 10grandfather, son George Dickason died 1701 Necton Norfolk son George b. 1660-1727 place unknown m.Elizabeth Child date unknown 2nd marriage Elizabeth Hogden m. 1712 place unknown. 1660-1713.
Question: Matthew Dickason 1808 -1891 and Mary Clark.1815-1885. Are these their children?
May be grand children mixed in??
Are they?
Hannah,John, Sarah Ann,Mary Ann, Robert,Charlotte Robert,Harriet,Harriet,Louisa and Lydia.
B. dates between 1836-1860??