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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: woofas on Saturday 19 January 13 12:39 GMT (UK)
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I have traced a relative Joseph Eastwood to his baptism at Holy Trinity, Holmfirth on 29 Dec 1739. The entry in the PR looks something like " of Snittlehouse in U " Can anyone decypher this please?
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I've looked back at previous pages of the register on Ancestry & on page 1 it clearly says 'Sinderhills in W' on one of the entries. The 'W' will probably mean Wooldale
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Thanks very much Jaysholme. I did try looking for other similar entries but obviously missed or did not register the one that you found.
It does not help if you do not know the area at all
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The baptism is also recorded in the Almondbury parish register in a much more clear hand. Joseph was from Overthong, which I believe is the old name for Upperthong.
Sandra
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Cinder Hills is off on the left of Dunford Rd as you leave Holmfirth, the road leads to Paris, Scholes, and Jacksons Bridge.
bodger
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Clearly the entry found by Sandra in the Almondbury PR is obviously the same person, so he must be from Overthong (Upperthong) However this does not agree with the suggestion of Sinderhills in Wooldale - if my limited geography is correct, Upperthong is not in Wooldale but on the opposite side of Holmfirth.
I believe that the entry reads "in U" rather than "W", any ideas of an area near Upperthong that starts with U? On the basis that the "house" part of the name is clear, I have spent some time looking at all the entries for Holmfirth in 1739 & the only two possibilities I can find are Kilnhouse & Hollinghouse. But neither really seem to fit.
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Not seen the register but it could be Cinderhills, Underbank
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Cropped version of Holmfirth entry:
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If the baptism is in the Almondbury PR for Holmfirth Chapelery the U must mean Upperthong ( Almondbury did not serve the Cinderhills side of Holmfirth).
I've had a look at the whole page on Anc***y- all the entries on that page are for the same side of the town: Holme, A=Austonley and U=Upperthong.These are areas rather than just the small hamlet/village.
Places with U are Upperbridge and Hill.
But I can't decifer what the address is that you're looking for "*****house".
Do you have any siblings for Joseph? any entry for them might be clearer. or even do you know where the family were in 1841? folk often stayed in the same place for generations.
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PS- I've looked and looked at the word and just cannot decipher it or make it match any place I can find.(though it may be a mis-spelling)
Would it be worth putting it in the "help with deciphering..." section?
Could the first letter actually be a capital D?
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Hi
Cold be Silkehouse, think there was a a Silke Lanes on that side of Holmfirth/Upperthong.
John
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Could be a fancy letter L -Little house
There maybe an entry in the BT's of the baptism that maybe clearer-These are held at the Borthwick institute at York University near York, North Yorkshire -They don't charge much for a copy on a known date
Possible
Silk Mill House,(Upperthong) Huddersfield Road, Holmfirth, HD9 4AW
Sillke
Its said Overthong was the old name for Holmfirth, Overthong is broadly (Rough area) the bottom of Thong lane from Netherthong where it meets Huddersfield road to Holmfirth centre at Cooper lane, basically lower east Upperthong to Netherthong and Thongsbridge being North of the river holme
Overthong is more known today as just Thong (The part of Holmfirth that in mostly in the Almondbury mother Parish)
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There is also Nether House, just to the lower part of Upperthong village itself.
Though there definitely is an "i" in the first part of the word. the end of the first part does look like it is "er".
it's the middle bit which seems to be "tth" that's a puzzle.
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Hi bykerlads
I think your right
N-Netther house
The sweep in ink mark is the first upright of the N, the fancy S is the angle line in the N and the long sweeping bridge over to the TT is the second upright of the N
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BumbeB
Can you look at other entries in that register for Netherthong or Nether House and see how the chap writes is N's and spells Nether, Netther or Nitther
See below
Remember sign writing at school -Thin up strokes and thick down strokes
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If it is Nether House, the "i" instead of "e" could be the result of hearing the old, broad-Yorkshire pronunciation, where, if I recall correctly from when I was a child in Holmfirth, sometimes slackened "e" into "i".
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Hi
I have enough with these F's for S witt'h out the line through like an upside down J
Nither (Niver-Neither nor) 'rains but pours'
Sounds aba'ht reight-(about right)
No wonder a could never spell at school.
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Your wish is my command :-* And it's from the same page as the entry for Joseph.
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Yes, it sure looks like the first letter is an N- the bit Bumble provides definitely says "Nov".
So, I'd go for the place in question being "Nether House" /"Nitther house".
This is/was just at the bottom edge of Upperthong village and therefore well inside the larger area of Holmfirth which was known as Upperthong/Overthong both in PR's and the census.
PS- Holmfirth and the whole of West Yorkshire is under deep snow today- picturesque but cold.
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Thank you everone for your contributions. I have been very interested in all your comments/suggestions.
Initially, I was convinced that the name began with an "S" but slowly came round to the thought that it could be a "N" I have just noticed that 4 lines down from Joseph is Nancy d of John Kaye with an identical construction of the "N" - at first sight it looks more like an "H"!
It still seems strange to me that the Almondbury records refer to the area as Overthong whilst Holmfirth uses "U" presumably for Upperthong. I am told that the original name was Uverthwong.
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What a team! Eh!
Who's for a game footy!
Thanks BumbleB-That Nov proves its 'N'