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Title: Somewhere near Holmfirth?
Post by: woofas on Saturday 19 January 13 12:39 GMT (UK)
I have traced a relative Joseph Eastwood to his baptism at Holy Trinity, Holmfirth on 29 Dec 1739. The entry in the PR looks something like " of Snittlehouse in U "  Can anyone decypher this please?
Title: Re: Somewhere near Holmfirth?
Post by: Jay55 on Saturday 19 January 13 13:13 GMT (UK)
I've looked back at previous pages of the register on Ancestry & on page 1 it clearly says 'Sinderhills in W' on one of the entries. The 'W' will probably mean Wooldale
Title: Re: Somewhere near Holmfirth?
Post by: woofas on Saturday 19 January 13 13:26 GMT (UK)
Thanks very much Jaysholme.  I did try looking for other similar entries but obviously missed or did not register the one that you found.
It does not help if you do not know the area at all
Title: Re: Somewhere near Holmfirth?
Post by: sandrastocks54 on Saturday 19 January 13 14:32 GMT (UK)
The baptism is also recorded in the Almondbury parish register in a much more clear hand.  Joseph was from Overthong, which I believe is the old name for Upperthong. 

Sandra
Title: Re: Somewhere near Holmfirth?
Post by: bodger on Saturday 19 January 13 15:20 GMT (UK)
Cinder Hills is off on the left of Dunford Rd as you leave Holmfirth, the road leads to Paris, Scholes, and Jacksons Bridge.
                                bodger
Title: Re: Somewhere near Holmfirth?
Post by: woofas on Saturday 19 January 13 15:40 GMT (UK)
Clearly the entry found by Sandra in the Almondbury PR is obviously the same person, so he must be from Overthong (Upperthong)   However this does not agree with the suggestion of Sinderhills in Wooldale - if my limited geography is correct, Upperthong is not in Wooldale but on the opposite side of Holmfirth.
I believe that the entry reads "in U" rather than "W", any ideas of an area near Upperthong that starts with U?  On the basis that the "house" part of the name is clear, I have spent some time looking at all the entries for Holmfirth in 1739 & the only two possibilities I can find are Kilnhouse & Hollinghouse.  But neither really seem to fit.
Title: Re: Somewhere near Holmfirth?
Post by: J.R.Ellam on Saturday 19 January 13 15:55 GMT (UK)
Not seen the register but it could be Cinderhills, Underbank
Title: Re: Somewhere near Holmfirth?
Post by: BumbleB on Saturday 19 January 13 16:32 GMT (UK)
Cropped version of Holmfirth entry:

Title: Re: Somewhere near Holmfirth?
Post by: bykerlads on Saturday 19 January 13 17:03 GMT (UK)
If the baptism is in the Almondbury PR for Holmfirth Chapelery the U must mean Upperthong ( Almondbury did not serve the Cinderhills side of Holmfirth).
I've had a look at the whole page on Anc***y- all the entries on that page are for the same side of the town: Holme, A=Austonley and U=Upperthong.These are areas rather than just the small hamlet/village.
Places with U are Upperbridge and Hill.
But I can't decifer what the address is that you're looking for "*****house".
Do you have any siblings for Joseph? any entry for them might be clearer. or even do you know where the family were in 1841? folk often stayed in the same place for generations.
Title: Re: Somewhere near Holmfirth?
Post by: bykerlads on Saturday 19 January 13 19:05 GMT (UK)
PS- I've looked and looked at the word and just cannot decipher it or make it match any place I can find.(though it may be a mis-spelling)
Would it be worth putting it in the "help with deciphering..." section?
Could the first letter actually be a capital D?
Title: Re: Somewhere near Holmfirth?
Post by: J.R.Ellam on Sunday 20 January 13 10:05 GMT (UK)
Hi

Cold be Silkehouse, think there was a a Silke Lanes on that side of Holmfirth/Upperthong.

John
Title: Re: Somewhere near Holmfirth?
Post by: dobfarm on Sunday 20 January 13 11:20 GMT (UK)
Could be a fancy letter L -Little house

There maybe an entry in the BT's of the baptism that maybe clearer-These are held at the Borthwick institute at York University near York, North Yorkshire -They don't charge much for a copy on a known date

Possible

Silk Mill House,(Upperthong) Huddersfield Road, Holmfirth, HD9 4AW

Sillke

Its said Overthong was the old name for Holmfirth, Overthong is broadly (Rough area) the bottom of Thong lane from Netherthong where it meets Huddersfield road to Holmfirth centre at Cooper lane, basically lower east Upperthong to Netherthong and Thongsbridge being North of the river holme

Overthong is more known today as just Thong (The part of Holmfirth that in mostly in the Almondbury mother Parish)
Title: Re: Somewhere near Holmfirth?
Post by: bykerlads on Sunday 20 January 13 17:28 GMT (UK)
There is also Nether House, just to the lower part of Upperthong village itself.
Though there definitely is an "i" in the first part of the word. the end of the first part does look like it is "er".
it's the middle bit which seems to be "tth" that's a puzzle.
Title: Re: Somewhere near Holmfirth?
Post by: dobfarm on Sunday 20 January 13 17:58 GMT (UK)
Hi bykerlads

I think your right

N-Netther house

The sweep in ink mark is the first upright of the N, the fancy S is the angle line in the N and the long sweeping bridge over to the TT is the second upright of the N
Title: Re: Somewhere near Holmfirth?
Post by: dobfarm on Sunday 20 January 13 18:03 GMT (UK)
BumbeB

Can you look at other entries in that register for Netherthong or Nether House and see how the chap writes is N's and spells Nether, Netther or Nitther

See below

Remember sign writing at school -Thin up strokes and thick down strokes
Title: Re: Somewhere near Holmfirth?
Post by: bykerlads on Sunday 20 January 13 19:24 GMT (UK)
If it is Nether House, the "i" instead of "e" could be the result of hearing the old, broad-Yorkshire pronunciation, where, if I recall correctly from when I was a child in Holmfirth, sometimes slackened "e" into "i".
Title: Re: Somewhere near Holmfirth?
Post by: dobfarm on Sunday 20 January 13 19:33 GMT (UK)
Hi

I have enough with these F's for S witt'h out the line through like an upside down J

Nither (Niver-Neither nor) 'rains but pours'

Sounds aba'ht reight-(about right)

No wonder a could never spell at school.
Title: Re: Somewhere near Holmfirth?
Post by: BumbleB on Monday 21 January 13 08:59 GMT (UK)
Your wish is my command  :-*  And it's from the same page as the entry for Joseph.
Title: Re: Somewhere near Holmfirth?
Post by: bykerlads on Monday 21 January 13 09:44 GMT (UK)
Yes, it sure looks like the first letter is an N- the bit Bumble provides definitely says "Nov".
So, I'd go for the place in question being "Nether House" /"Nitther house".
This is/was just at the bottom edge of Upperthong village and therefore well inside the larger area of Holmfirth which was known as Upperthong/Overthong both in PR's and the census.
PS- Holmfirth and the  whole of West Yorkshire is under deep snow today- picturesque but cold.
Title: Re: Somewhere near Holmfirth?
Post by: woofas on Monday 21 January 13 10:09 GMT (UK)
Thank you everone for your contributions.  I have been very interested in all your comments/suggestions.
Initially, I was convinced that the name began with an "S" but slowly came round to the thought that it could be a "N"   I have just noticed that 4 lines down from Joseph is Nancy d of John Kaye with an identical construction of the "N" - at first sight it looks more like an "H"!
It still seems strange to me that the Almondbury records refer to the area as Overthong whilst Holmfirth uses "U" presumably for Upperthong.  I am told that the original name was Uverthwong.
Title: Re: Somewhere near Holmfirth?
Post by: dobfarm on Monday 21 January 13 10:43 GMT (UK)
What a team! Eh!

Who's for a game footy!


Thanks BumbleB-That Nov proves its 'N'