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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => England => Hampshire & IOW Lookup Requests => Topic started by: marionjean on Friday 18 January 13 19:17 GMT (UK)
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looking for james bennett born in binstead who married mary burningham 21 july 1780 she came from kingsley. her ma and pa was benjamin burningham and ann mayhew
i am trying to find the children of james and mary who were born in kingsley and hursley i believe
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I have found these baptisms in Kingsley:
James bpt 7 Sep 1781
Thomas bpt 11 Nov 1783
Mary bpt 30 Sep 1785
Jane bap 10 Feb 1789
Elizabeth bpt 24 Sep 1790
Sarah bap 28 Dec 1791
Harriett bpt 21 Jun 1793
Nell
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The James Bennett who married Mary Burningham was a wealthy landowner who was buried in Kingsley on 19 December 1812 and whose will was a PCC one with the reference PROB 11/1545/37. His wife Mary had been buried 24 March 1800 as ‘wife of James Bennett’. When he died, James was ‘of Grooms Farm, Kingsley, yeoman’. His son, also called James, seems to have taken over some of his father’s property having leased also Lode Farm.
There are lots of deeds in the Hampshire Archives which refer to the property that James amassed and some of it had previously belonged to his father-in-law, Benjamin Burningham, whose will was proved 30 July 1796. Both were described as yeoman. It seems very unlikely that James and Mary would have had any reason to have children baptised in Hursley when they and their families were established in Kingsley and Binsted.
This James Bennett was probably the son of Thomas and Ann Bennett of Binsted who was baptised 1 Jan.1755. Yours Jane
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thomas that was baptised 11/11/83 at kingsley i believe he married a hannah martin and they had as far as iknow 4 children james, elizabeth, john and mary. could you tell me if they had any more children and also who was thomas parents. i thought it might have been james born about 1775 and mary burningham. i did not relise that they may have been wealthy. more information would be great
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Kingsley is on the east side of Hampshire.
Thomas Bennett married Hannah Martin in East Wellow, which is on the west side of the county.
....who was thomas parents. i thought it might have been james born about 1775 and mary burningham.
That isn't going to work on the dates you give. James who was the father of the Thomas baptised in 1783 cannot have been born in 1775, only eight years earlier. Need another candidate. :-\
At the moment it seems as if you are trying to work both forwards and backwards on this family, but I need to ask, what is your starting point? Who is the earliest known and proven ancestor? Then work backwards from there.
Nell
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i will work from my ancestor back. my nan was hannah bennett b 1899 d 1986
father john bennett 1861 or 5 died 1937 he married a hannah mary hurst.
his father was john bennett born 1839 no death date he married a jane pressley in 1864 these are all with certificates etc.
his father was james bennett b 1813 died 1877 he married twice first martha scammell and then maria jannaway
his father i believe is thomas bennett born/bapt 1783 kingsley who married hannah martin 1808 they married in wellow so far i have 4 children for them
his father i think was james bennett born 1755 born binstead nr alton? i think he married mary burningham in kingsley in they might have 4 +children
his father could be thomas bennett born 1739 binsley nr alton his wife ann?
that is what i have. please feel free to comment and correct any help is really appreciated
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I think you need to look at birth places on the census for all parties to make sure that you don't follow a wrong path. Where was James Bennett (b 1813) born - and his wife? This pair seem to the ones of whom you are are most certain.
There is a marriage for James Bennett to Martha Scammell in romsey. Again this is on the west side of the county. I think an awareness of location might be key i trying to sort his out.
If you have been working from what you have found online, please remember that not all records are online for any county in the UK and Hampshire is no exception.
Nell
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james bennett born michelmersh romsey baptised in abbey independant romsey 1813. i have the marriage cert for scammell and jannaway also his death certificate so i know his father was thomas bennett
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most of info i have got from winchester records office and southampton records office
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I'm having difficulty with this. The only baptism for a James Bennett at the Abbey Independent Church in Romsey at the time you mention seems to have had a father William :-\
Thomas Bennett m Hannah Martin in 1808 in East Wellow. Two children seem to have been baptised in Plaitford:
James 29 Sep 1811 (mother's maiden name noted as 'Maton')
Elizabeth 24 Dec 1815
Not having any luck finding others.
I'm struggling to connect this Thomas to Kingsley 25 miles away on the other side of the county. I just wonder if he was actually born in Wiltshire :-\
Nell
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well the one thing that i know is james bennett who married jannaway and scammell his father is for certain thomas bennett.
i have a thomas bennett born grimstead in wiltshire about 1783 he married a hannah in west wellow
i also have thomas bennett christened 11/11/1783 in kingsley father james mother mary and this thomas died romsey end of the year 1859 and i have the banns for james bennett to mary holloway married in nursling church 7/11/1773.
at st peters church plaitford thomas bennetts gravestone is behind the church, this was erected by his son james
you can see my confusement
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I think that I would not rule out Thomas Bennett born in West Grimstead in 1783. He is in West Wellow in 1841 and 1851 with wife Hannah. Hannah born in Plaitford. Thomas possibly died in 1859.
His parents appear to be Simon & Phillis:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J9FZ-9M9
They married in Michelmersh in 1778. Phillis dies in Wellow aged 68 in 1818. Not sure about Simon. :-\
This Thomas looks a more likely candidate since he he was born in the same area that you have been searching. His occupation seems more in keeping with the later generations of Bennetts. The one in Kingsley doesn't feel right - too far out of the area. I think it might be worth looking closely at the West Grimstead Thomas, to see if he can be definitely connected, other than by proximity of residence to later Bennetts.
Nell
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have you maps of these areas at all
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i have been searching on line for simon and phillis all i have so far is
simon born 31/1/1785 west grimstead parents simon and phillis
thomas born 3/8/1783 ditto ditto
i cant find anymore children or when and where they got married
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have you maps of these areas at all
There are any number of map websites that you could use. http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ or http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&tab=wl or http://www.bing.com/maps/?FORM=HDRSC4
I use a road atlas myself - gives a wider view ;)
I found their marriage in a parish register transcription - it is not online.
Simon Benet married Phillis Whitmarsh 15 Jun 1778 Michelmersh
Nell
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in one of the emails from you, you said that james bennett baptised in abbey independant romsey father was william bennett, this is the james who married twice, on each of his marriage certs he gives thomas as his father.
where was it you saw that william was the father of the james baptised in romsey.
could there be another james bennett?
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I found it on FamilySearch and it should be checked against the original register:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JMV7-R24
However, there were other children baptised in the same church with the same parents. There were no children baptised there where the father is Thomas Bennett.
could there be another james bennett?
Yes - there are probably several. The transcriptions on FamilySearch are not complete for Hampshire or Wiltshire, so the possibility of others cannot be ruled out. I have already made one suggestion and his mother has the right name: Hannah and her maiden name was transcribed as Maton, which is not a million miles away from Martin. The gravestone you have found is the right one. I just think it possible that you may have misidentified the baptism.
What age does James give on his marriage certificates - or is it one of those unhelpful 'of full age' type?
Nell
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on the marriages it gives over full age but on his death certificate it gives him at the age of 65 when he died which was at toothill 1877.
going back to his father thomas who i had as baptised in kingsley. i see what you mean about the distance yet he must have travelled down to wellow when he married hannah marten in wellow in 1808
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he must have travelled down to wellow when he married hannah marten in wellow in 1808
but you cannot prove that the Thomas who married Hannah Martin was born in Kingsley at the present, and neither can I. All that can be said is that a Thomas Bennett who was born in approximately 1783 married Hannah Martin in Wellow.
The death of the Thomas Bennett who died in 1859 is registered in the Romsey registration district. This covers West Wellow. It might be worth comparing the address (if given) on the death certificate with the one on the 1851 census for Thomas Bennett aged 68 living in West Wellow. That Thomas gives his birth place as Grimstead in Wiltshire. I can't find another Thomas of similar age in the area on that census to help rule anything out :-\
Nell
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I have to say that I agree with Nell that there are two very different families here. The Kingsley Bennetts were wealthy and landed. Have you acquired the PCC will that I suggested? That will show you the difference. The Kingsley children kept acquiring land or went into business as a grocer and tallow chandler in Alton - for which one needed financial backing. Another was a malster and moved to Frensham in Surrey - the preferred direction of movement from here.
They were referred to as esquires and gentlemen. The memorial to one will give you a flavour of their life style:-
INSCRIPTION ON TOMB OF WILLIAM BENNETT
ST NICHOLAS CHURCHYARD, KINGSLEY.
Sacred to the Loving memory of
William Bennett , Esquire, who died Sept 8 1884 age 72. This gentleman was born at Lode Farm Kingsley. Early in life he left his home to seek his fortune, through the blessing of Almighty God, upon his unremitting integrity, he succeeded. For about 20 years, he carried on business in Alton, subsequently he retired to London and was very successful in his various enterprises which yielded him a large fortune.
So notwithstanding he was in possession of great wealth he lived in a most simple and unostentatious manner. For several years before his decease he devoted his whole attention to the most efficacious means of aiding charities designed for the benefit of his less favoured fellow creatures. Indeed he might truly have said
“He delivered the poor that cried out and the faithless and him that had none to help him. And I caused the widow’s heart to sing for joy. I was eyes to the blind and feet was I to the lame. I was a father to the poor and the cause which I knew not I searched out “ Job xxix . 12-16
(thanks to Kingsley Archives)
James Bennett of Kingsley left a will:-
will of James Bennett of Grooms Farm, Kingsley, yeoman, 1812-1813, (63M48/249-269) as part of deeds to property. His son James stays in Kingsley for many years and then, by 1827, has moved to Bramshott. They appear in many documents in the HRO which you can find in their online catalogue. All of their history is backed up by the property transactions which include the Burningham family as well - another wealthy family from around here. These people married into other local land owning families - often already distantly related.
I think that you need to consolidate the solid facts by using other sources such as Overseers' accounts, rentals, manorial documents, rate books, etc before you move on. Yours Jane