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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Montgomeryshire => Topic started by: sonofedgar on Friday 18 January 13 11:11 GMT (UK)
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I'd be grateful for some help researching my great grandfather, David Powell Whittall, b. 1845 at Bettws-y-crwyn, south Shropshire. I'm slowly working my way back to his parents, John Whittall (b. abt 1805, Shropshire) and Ann Powell (b. abt 1810, Llandegly) who married abt 1834? and lived at Trebrodier, and have reached his paternal grandparents, another John Whittall and a Mary Jinkins. But I'd like to identify his wife, Mary, possibly Mary Harris, b. abt 1848 at Llanwnog..
Thanks,
Roy
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hi,,you have me confused? you want to find out about David b 1845 mother Mary b 1848? or have you made a mistake,,,and you are Looking for John s mother b c 1748?
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who married abt 1834?
I'm only posting this because you put a ? next to the date.
John Whittall married by Banns to Ann Powell on the 2nd January 1834 at St Tecla's church, Llandegley, Radnorshire. (Both parties signed their name) A William Powell was a Witness.
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Yes, that was a mistake which I've now modified (I think)! I meant his wife, Mary b. 1848.. ::)
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Thanks for that marriage confirmation/detail.. :)
Where do you look for this information?? I'm researching on four main fronts, as you might imagine, but I'm a relative newcomer and I need to learn much more about search techniques and resources!
At the moment I'm mainly using Ancestry.co.uk, with some forays elsewhere such as ScotlandsPeople and specific local records.
Roy
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Where do you look for this information??
You will find the entry using "FamilySearch"
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KCY7-6J3
To see the original image you will need a sub to FindMyPast. (I have given you all the details on the entry)
I'm a bit lost on Mary born abt 1848? did she marry David Powell Whittall? if so when?
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The 1871 census shows her as Mary Whittal, wife of David, b Caerens abt 1847, living at Little Brampton and Rodd Nash with their first two children, Anne and Mary, both aged 3.. though Anne was actually b 1865. So I imagine they were married around 1864/65.
David Whittal is shown born Bellers which I assume should be Bettws.. but this could, of course, be another family..??
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Another Census gives their marriage date as abt 1867, I've looked and I cannot find anything to fit, using the GRO indexes. Where did you get the surname Harris from? one of their children's birth certificates perhaps?
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Harris is a long shot, taken from another Ancestry family tree (but which contained rather sparse information.. I was hoping that it's compiler had some personal family information).
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I'm going to presume that you are just starting out on this adventure, of family history.
Do you have any Birth or Marriage certificates for your grandfather(s) going backwards.
I would avoid "Ancestry" trees until you are a lot more certain of your own history, they would more likely confuse & obstruct you at this stage.
If you need more help, just ask.
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Thanks.
I'm very confident in the 1891 census that puts the family at Easthampton, Shobdon, and shows Mary Whittall b 1848 at Llanwnog.
(Must go to work now :))
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My best best advice in the circumstances is to contact a Mrs Tracy Care, it would seem she is doing a study of the surname Whittall.
http://www.one-name.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi?find=5309
She should be in more of a position to help you, than I can.
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Hi Roy
If you look at the free website, www.northwalesbmd.org.uk , there is a marriage in 1868 of David Whittal (one L) to Mary Harris or Mary Haines at Llanwnog Parish Church. Strangely, this does not show on other searches, although www,freebmd.org.uk shows a marriage for John Whittal and Mary Harries (spelt with an E) in the Qtr ended Sep 1868 in Newtown district.
I would be inclined to order these certificates to confirm.
Best of luck
Stan
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North Wales BMDs http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk
Click on link and click on "North Wales BMDs" (assuming you prefer English??)
Use drop down menu for "Marriages 435,103 (Green button) and select "Search Marriages"
Click on "Search by name
Select date 1868
Surname - enter Whittall and also click on "Soundtex" button (Not "Exact)
Click on "Display results"
You can then click on "Match possible spouse"
The year 1868 "fits" with the period "How long married" that a David Whittall gives on the 1911 Census.
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brynhyfryd,
Apologies - somehow wasn't alerted to your post after beginning my post (which I had to abort twice - odd?).
Pl ignore
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Thanks very much to the contributors to this enquiry/thread so far.. especially brynhyfryd and hanes teulu, great lead! I shall send off for cert :) :)
Roy
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Well, I now have a copy of the marriage certificate for the marriage on July 1st, 1868, at Llanwnog of
David Whittal, res. Caersws, father John Whittal, mason, and
Mary Harris, res. Caersws, father Benjamin Mills, farmer..!
How can this be explained.. Mary was aged about 20, could she have been married before??