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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: alisona on Friday 18 January 13 10:48 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone please help me to date the photo of the family. Firstly I think it is an earlier photo of the old man pictured. I need some help to match these photos, does anyone think they are the same man? The jaw/chin seems quite similar.
If I am right and these are the same man (my great great grandfather)then the family photo should be around 1888-91.
The photo was taken in Belfast. The bottom says Abernathy Studios (faded). this is only a copy so I don't know if there was anything on the back.
Any help much appreciated.
Alison
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You're quite correct,the family photo is mid-late 1880's.
jim
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thanks for your help, do you think it is the same man?
Alison
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In my opinion the faces do look very similar so I would vote for yes, it's the same man.
Regards
GS
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I agree I think it's the same man - ears match, and distinctive cheekbones.
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Thanks everyone. We are now pretty certain it is our great great grandparents, which is of great importance to our family.
Alison
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Here is another photo that I could use some help with. Firstly I need a date and then if anyone wants to venture an opinion of they are the same boys in that are in the original posting???
Again only a copy so nothing on the back to help. Likely taken in Belfast.
Alison
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Around WW1.
jim
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Could the two boys in your last picture be sons of one/both of the boys in your 1880's picture?
The dates would work, surely
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I am not usually inclined to disagree with Jim --- but the photo of the two little boys reminds me very much of one i have of my Gramps & his brother taken 1886. I will look it out & post it for comparison --- back soon.
Twilight
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Here it is
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I am not usually inclined to disagree with Jim
Twilight
ooer.
Can be dangerous! ;)
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This doesn't look 1886 to me.
jim
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This doesn't look 1886 to me.
jim
Which, Jim, Twilight's picture or Alison's - or both?
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This doesn't look 1886 to me.
jim
Me neither. The boy would be wearing boots, not white socks and mary jane shoes which didn't come into style (for girls anyway) until I think 1910. In fact I don't think I've ever seen these shoes on a boy...they may have been his sister's :)
The toning of the photo doesn't look like 1880s either. What kind of paper is it printed on, twilight? Could we see all of it uncropped please?
Cheers,
China
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Goodness me - that's thrown a spanner in the works. Perhaps the boys aren't who Twilight thinks they are - and I must say even in my humble view Twilight's picture doesn't look 1880's.
However, maybe Alison can now think of another generation of relatives her two boys represent?
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Maybe we can sort them both out.....a twofer ;D ;D ;D
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a POGOF..post one get one free.
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Twilight's vanished, come back! - this will surely throw the identification of Grandfather and Great Uncle into complete disarray - 30 years variation in date is a bit of a problem, surely ::)
Added: just noticed, she's in Australia. Forgiven for not being on the board currently :)
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Sorry folks, definitely 1886 & there is no doubt about who they are.
The little guy, my grandfather, was born Jan 1883. Unfortunately I don't have the original. This is a scan of the copy that came to Aus with my grandfather just pre WW1. It was a post card, but a reprint, as were many others he brought with him. There is also a companion pic. of their little sister wearing a similar coat & lace-up shoes & dark socks. I do have an "Original Copy" (Cabinet Card) of the same two boys taken 1883.
I also have in my collection, pics of two of my uncles (unrelated) wearing similar coats, made by their mothers. One taken 1915 with dark socks & laced shoes & the other, 1921, with white socks & open shoes. A fashion revival ??
I'm no expert, but I think Alison's photo is of the same two boys that are in the family group.
Twilight
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Thanks for looking at the photo, sorry it caused a controversy while I slept blissfully unaware in the land of Oz.
There is a chance the boys are the sons of the eldest boy in the 1880s photo. A cousin of mine had a heap of family photos with no names. Unfortunately I have no better copy, as my dad took a sneaky photo of the original photo when visiting said cousin.
I personally think it is either the boys in original photo (born 1884 and 85)or it could be the two sons of the oldest boy Samuel who were born 1906 and 08.
Thank you all for helping out here.
Alison
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How about this...the Buster Brown suit that first became popular for boys around 1906, then for girls about 1910. By 1914 it had made its way into the pattern books.
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So what did Twilight's relatives' dressmaker have? A crystal ball? 20 years ahead of the times?
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Last one (maybe)
Again I would appreciate help to date this one, it may be the two boys in the previous photo( the two on their own with ball and stick.) A date may confirm this and settle a family discussion- I am thinking around 1912? It is taken in a garden and seems very informal.
Thanks everyone for helping.
Alison
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Igor,
My G Gran was the dressmaker& very skilled, as were her sisters. No crystal ball, she just kept up with the fashions of the times. The caps worn by my little rels. were fashionable in 1880 & that fashion continued with minor variations for quite some time. Google "The Delineator (Sept 1880)" scroll just past halfway through & look on P 137 at the child's cap (item 7189). Then ask Mr Google to find "Wisconsin Historical Society Boy's Footwear 1880's" and you should find the boy's black leather button shoes. The ones my rels were wearing were not passed down from their sister --- she was the youngest & got to wear their hand-me-downs.
Sorry China & Jim, but there is no doubt about the date or the subjects in my photo. It was taken in Portsmouth in the English summer of 1886. I knew my grandfather well -- he taught me to tie my shoelaces when I was 4 & he told me then about his button-up shoes which often popped undone! He much preferred laces!!
Twilight.
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1912 looks about right, Alison.
Couldn't locate The Delineator, Twilight, but thanks for the interesting discussion. Is your photo a reprint, then?
Cheers,
China