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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: markey164 on Thursday 17 January 13 22:40 GMT (UK)
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Hi all,
Is there a Newtown in Sussex? If so where would references to it in 1860 be likely to be referring to?
I'm trying to trace my gg grandfather Frank/Francis Edwards who lists his birthplace on the 1861 Census as what we initially thought was Newhaven, Sussex, but having found his Seamans ticket c.1857, his birthplace is more clearly written as Newtown, Sussex. He was born c.1836-1837.
Any suggestions greatfully received?
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See also
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,528094.msg3835685.html#msg3835685
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Good evening,
There is no place called Newtown in it's own right. However, the name is used for parts of other towns and villages built at a later date. Not always that recent either.
Uckfield is one place that springs to mind, the south east corner is known as New Town.
John915
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See also
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,528094.msg3835685.html#msg3835685
Thanks Carole. Unfortunately you've linked me to my own post. That thread was back when I was following the Newhaven route ;)
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I know - it was to ensure info on that post was not duplicated here by anybody unaware of it
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Good evening,
There is no place called Newtown in it's own right. However, the name is used for parts of other towns and villages built at a later date. Not always that recent either.
Uckfield is one place that springs to mind, the south east corner is known as New Town.
John915
Hi John, thanks for the info, I'll have a look at Uckfield.
I realise it isn't a place in its own right hence the query about where it may have been referring to.
The way the birthplace is written on the 1861 census could be either Newhaven or Newtown depending on how you read it, but the seamans ticket which is c.1857 is much clearer. It says Newtown, Sussex quite clearly. There's also a small area near Copthorne that comes up on google for Newtown, so there are a few possibilities by the looks of it.
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There is this baptism in Broadwater:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J7ZK-V4V
Have you tried looking for him in 1851 census?
Nell
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There is this baptism in Broadwater:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J7ZK-V4V
Hi Nell. Yes found that record....and it sent me off down the wrong path for months lol!
There's a burial record in Broadwater (below) for Frank Edwards aged 12 in Jan 1850 (which we think is the same person you found).
http://www.barriesgenealogy.co.uk/html/st_mary_s_burials_1558-1895.html
Also on both my gg grandfather Frank's marriage records, he lists his father's as Francis, whereas the Frank above had father Edward. These two facts seem to rule out the above record from being my Frank :(
Have also searched the 1851 Census at length, but without finding any probable matches :(
I can't find any record of him before 1857 (when he married wife #1 age 21), and nothing after 1876 when wife #2 died (where he was present at her death).
We know his his two young sons were in workhouses in 1881, so either he died as well, or did a runner off to sea (he was a merchant seaman)
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I am not sure what non conformist churches there were in the Newhaven area but they may be worth investigating.
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How about a mistranscription of Nep Town in Henfield? (Is it one or two words?) It's no great distance between there and Broadwater Worthing, where a Frank appears in 1841
Side note: Frank is female on the IGI 1837 baptism and male on the 1841 census..
Roy G
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Have you seen the seamans tickets for Francis Edwards born Newtown, Montgomeryshire in 1833/4?
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=TNA%2FMSEA%2FBTOTH%2F4620426%2F00580&parentid=TNA%2FBT113%2F2133053055%2F1
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=TNA%2FMSEA%2FBTOTH%2F4620595%2F00479&parentid=TNA%2FBT113%2F2133080292%2F1
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If there is uncertainty over his father's name, and you have no knowledge of the names of siblings, How about looking at NEPTOWN near Henfield rather than Newtown?
Regards Roy
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This is the extract from the 1871 census. There is no way you could misread this as anything other than Sussex, Newhaven.
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This is the extract from the 1871 census. There is no way you could misread this as anything other than Sussex, Newhaven.
Indeed i've seen that record, and spent many long hours trying to verify it and drawn a complete blank. Which is what led me to wonder if he was only ever told he was born in Newhaven as a child, and as an adult simply assumed it was the one in Sussex rather than the one in Edinburgh. Easy assumption to make.
Back then people often didn't know where they were born, especially if their parents died when they were young. As it happens his 2 sons both thought they were born in Cornsay (as that was where they were living when their mother died) when in fact they were born 20 miles away in Sunderland. Hence why i'm looking at other options, as part of my detective work :-)
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Have you seen the seamans tickets for Francis Edwards born Newtown, Montgomeryshire in 1833/4?
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=TNA%2FMSEA%2FBTOTH%2F4620426%2F00580&parentid=TNA%2FBT113%2F2133053055%2F1
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=TNA%2FMSEA%2FBTOTH%2F4620595%2F00479&parentid=TNA%2FBT113%2F2133080292%2F1
Thanks Shaun, i had seen a similar record for this person in an index, but hadn't seen the full tickets before so this is really helpful!
The 2 entries have different Seamans ticket number's, but both appear to be for the same person. The 2nd entry is then shown as cancelled and lists a 3rd number (which is the same ticket number I had found before).
This was a really useful lead as from the records you found, I was able to find this person in the 1861 Census for Wales. The Father is listed as Evan, so given both the Father and Location aren't a match for my Francis Edwards, I can probably rule this out as being my gg grandfather.
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I can probably rule this out as being my gg grandfather.
I agree