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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: W.Smith on Thursday 17 January 13 05:18 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I am looking for any information on my grandparents, who although were married in Bellshill, 31/8/1901, originally came from Lithuania, to work in the mines.
Names are:
GGF :Jurzas Mercinkiawicz
GGM:Brigite Rutkauckiute
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Bill
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Hi Bill
A couple of links that may give you some more info
http://www.bbc.co.uk/legacies/immig_emig/scotland/strathclyde/article_4.shtml
http://www.historytoday.com/murdoch-rodgers/lithuanians
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hi BruceL,
Many thanks,
I read these articles with great interest.
Great work,
Regards,
Bill
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The marriage is on SP as
1901 MARCINKIAWICZ MOTEYUS and RUTKAUCKUTIE BRIGITA at BELLSHILL /LANARK
Could this be the family on the 1911 census index?
1911 MERKEVICZE MOTEUSIA Male aged 50 at BELLSHILL /LANARK
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There is a social club for Lithuanians in Mossend in Bellshill. Don;t know if there any contact details for the club but it is active and seems to have been going for a very long time. A friend of mine's late mother was of Lithuanian extraction so I have been to social events there.
The local RC church for the area is Holy Family, Mossend, which given the strong links may have some records of interest.
Point of contact for the church would probably be Diocese of Motherwell, Cathedral House,31 Coursington Road, Motherwell, Lanarkshire Tel; 01698 258116 ( you would have to figure out international Dialling codes.
Best of luck, hope it works out.
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Hi Sancti,
Many thanks,
It appears correct, no doubt difference in spelling from what I had was "lost in translation"
I've had difficulty finding additional info.
Once again, many thanks,
Bill
The marriage is on SP as
1901 MARCINKIAWICZ MOTEYUS and RUTKAUCKUTIE BRIGITA at BELLSHILL /LANARK
Could this be the family on the 1911 census index?
1911 MERKEVICZE MOTEUSIA Male aged 50 at BELLSHILL /LANARK
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Hi Maxcam,
Yes, I have heard about this from reading about some of the Lithuanian migrants, but as I am new to Genealogy, it didn't occur to me. Hopefully I will pick up from these tips.
Many thanks, I will follow this lead up.
Bill
There is a social club for Lithuanians in Mossend in Bellshill. Don;t know if there any contact details for the club but it is active and seems to have been going for a very long time. A friend of mine's late mother was of Lithuanian extraction so I have been to social events there.
The local RC church for the area is Holy Family, Mossend, which given the strong links may have some records of interest.
Point of contact for the church would probably be Diocese of Motherwell, Cathedral House,31 Coursington Road, Motherwell, Lanarkshire Tel; 01698 258116 ( you would have to figure out international Dialling codes.
Best of luck, hope it works out.
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Bill if you view the marriage certificate it will provide the names of the bride and groom's parents
The 1911 census will show where the family lived and the names/ages of children
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The marriage is on SP as
1901 MARCINKIAWICZ MOTEYUS and RUTKAUCKUTIE BRIGITA at BELLSHILL /LANARK
Could this be the family on the 1911 census index?
1911 MERKEVICZE MOTEUSIA Male aged 50 at BELLSHILL /LANARK
This 1911 record is unlikely to be the man from the 1901 marriage as he was aged 20 in 1901 !
Despite some expert use of wildcards, I can't immediately find a better 1911 census record ...............
Be aware that such men, born in Lithuania, were Russian nationals, who were forced to return to Russia and serve in the Russian Army in WWI.
Their wives and kids in Scotland were left with no support from the UK authorities, and many of them were "shipped back" to Russia <sad g>
kirkmichael
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The marriage is on SP as
1901 MARCINKIAWICZ MOTEYUS and RUTKAUCKUTIE BRIGITA at BELLSHILL /LANARK
Could this be the family on the 1911 census index?
1911 MERKEVICZE MOTEUSIA Male aged 50 at BELLSHILL /LANARK
This 1911 record is unlikely to be the man from the 1901 marriage as he was aged 20 in 1901 !
Despite some expert use of wildcards, I can't immediately find a better 1911 census record ...............
Be aware that such men, born in Lithuania, were Russian nationals, who were forced to return to Russia and serve in the Russian Army in WWI.
Their wives and kids in Scotland were left with no support from the UK authorities, and many of them were "shipped back" to Russia <sad g>
kirkmichael
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Hi Kirkmichael,
Thanks, you are right, but the marriage cert. looks good.
I will try and get a look at this and follow up.
Thanks for you input.
Bill
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It is possible the age has been transcribed wrongly in the census index, the 50 could be 30
The only way to confirm is to view the image
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Hi Sancti,
Thanks, when I work out how to check the SP, I'll let you know.
Regards,
Bill
It is possible the age has been transcribed wrongly in the census index, the 50 could be 30
The only way to confirm is to view the image
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Hi Bill
I don't like leaving things hanging.
After finding two births between 1901 and 1911, and the corresponding deaths in Scotland, I had another go.
The family is there in 1911 under MARCISKIAWICHS ! This was truly a nightmare for the enumerator.
There are 4 kids, including the two that I had previously found. Watch out for names changing, e.g. it looks like the first born, Joseph, was shown in 1911 as Yurzas.
Only three of the kids were born in Scotland, - the other was born in 'America', presumably the USA.
Watch out also for variations in Jurzas senior's wife given name; the Guid Lord only kens what her surname was, see the various birth entries. Also, I guess, the registrars' nightmare!
Not too much doubt that it is the right family, especially given that the marriage is shown as being 10 years old. At first I thought that there might have been a remarriage, but the 10 year figure knocks that on the head.
Jurzas is shown as born in ''Lietwa', - that might be Lietiva, - this is almost certainly Lietuva, which is the Lithuanian for Lithuania.
He's also shown as having Russian nationality.
wkr
Kirkmichael
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The marriage is on SP as
1901 MARCINKIAWICZ MOTEYUS and RUTKAUCKUTIE BRIGITA at BELLSHILL /LANARK
Could this be the family on the 1911 census index?
1911 MERKEVICZE MOTEUSIA Male aged 50 at BELLSHILL /LANARK
As can now be proven from various other records, this 1911 census record shows the father of Jurzas/Yurzas/Youzas MERCINKIAWICZ.
He died in Scotland, so that means that it's possible to go back to the grandparents of Jurzas/Yurzas/Youzas MERCINKIAWICZ.
On Jurzas/Yurzas/Youzas's own death record, it shows that he used the alias Joseph SMITH !
How Jurzas/Yurzas/Youzas morphed into Moteyus on his 1901 marriage record I refuse to speculate !
wkr
Kirkmichael
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http://www.holyfamilymossend.org.uk/lithuanians1.htm
Apparently,"... in Lanarkshire, of the 1800 Lithuanians called up, 700 joined the British Army and 1100 chose 'deportation' to Russia".
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,546938.msg4355649.html#msg4355649
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Hi Scotmum,
Thanks for that info, I've sent an email to the Mossend Parish to see if they have any info.
Good reading with the other link, not sure which way he went ?
Many thanks,
Bill
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I have family who came from Northern Ireland to mining jobs between 1850 - 1861 Is there anywhere I can find out when they came over and what shipiing they may have used. They settled in Cambusnethan Lanarkshire They are in the 1861 census Dimisdale Street, then lived in Caledonian Road till they passed away. As they probably had to make their own way over, I wonder how they did it, and to where they landed would it be Glasgow? Any info would be appreciated. Thankyou
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Steamer to Greenock, Glasgow or Port Patrick. I don't think it was any big deal, Irish seasonal agricultural workers crossed back & forth every summer.
Skoosh.
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1000s landed at the Broomielaw in Glasgow during the Great Hunger
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Hi Bill ,
my grand parents were Juras Marcinkiawicz..coal miner and Brigita Rutkauckiute. Married 31st of August 1901 in Bellshill....related?.
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Hi,
Thanks for the email.
We would have to be related, cousins probably.
Who was your Mother and Father?
Regards,
Bill
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Hi Bill,
mum was Elizabeth and dad Francis.... you wouldn't be William in Australia ????
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Hi Bill,
Just found your post while doing a google search for my grandfathers name (Marcinkewicz) & a new finding from the ship passenger lists which is for my great grandparents and their place of residence we think might be Liudvinavas. I have been doing extensive research on both my grandmother and grandfathers families. Have alot of information on my grandmothers side now (Simanavicius) but not so much on my grandfathers. I'm just wondering if theres any connection because of the following: the name is very similar (like you i've found multiple spellings!). I live in Scotland - my grandfather and his father and brothers where all miners in Newtongrange but had a definate connection with Bellshill (i have an old photograph with 2 men and the name and address on the back is someone in Bellshill- not Marcinkewicz though). And of course the place of birth on my great grandfathers ship passenger record is Liudvinas (its written in German & hard to read but so far a few Lithuanians have both suggested that it could be Liudvinas). My great grandparents where Victor and Eva Marcinkewicz and my grandfather was Anthony (Anton) Marcinkewicz (changed to Mitchell) Do you have any old photographs (to see if theres any similarities) or do you know of any connection with Newtongrange (Newbattle)? Hope this makes sense 😳
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the place of birth on my great grandfathers ship passenger record is Liudvinas (its written in German & hard to read
Why not post that bit here and see is anyone else has any ideas? I take it it's in the old Gothic script?
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Thanks, Its in German.so place names written as they would be known.in German. I've got it posted on a Lithuanian genealogy site as they're used to seeing the ship passenger lists (& deciphering them) all the time (& a large number of them.live in Lithuania so know of villages which existed in the early 1900's some of which either dont exist or have different names now - some used to be part of Poland). The handwritten lists are illegible so got to rely on.whats been typed up on.ancestry website.
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Hi Philmcd,
Thanks for your email.
I have found very little in regards to my Fathers side ( Marcinkewicz). Yes, there are many variations to that Surname. My Father and his brothers changed their name to Smith ( go figure). I was told that when the Lithuanians went to work in the mines there was difficulty in pronouncing these names, so they were given names like Smith and Brown, to make it easier. (Not sure if this is correct.) So I guess they just kept them throughout their lives. I have searched both in the UK and USA, where a lot of them, like my Grandfather, did go, but returned to Scotland to work. As regards my family, as I said very little found Fathers name Franciskas Marcinkiawicz ( Frank Smith) GFN Jurzas Marcinkawicz GMMN Brigita Rutauckiute. As said before ,variations in spelling have made it difficult. I am in Australia, I was born in Bellshill.
If you have any info that may help me I would be greatly appreciated.
Would love to see the photo.
Thanks,
Bill
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Interesting stuff! http://www.bbc.co.uk/legacies/immig_emig/scotland/strathclyde/article_4.shtml
Skoosh.
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Hi Bill, I have been doing extensive research on both my grandparents families with the help of a brilliant genealogist in Lithuania. Got my great grandfather Viktors birth record sent the other day & name is on it as Marcinkevicius so that might help you with your search. Regarding the name changes - my.grandmothers family name Simanavicius was also changed to Smith but my grandfather Marcinkewicz? Was changed to Mitchell. Am going.to try & attach pic with bellshill address on.back (pic taken in Edinburgh studio) so hopefully it'll work.
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Unfortunately wont let me upload photos or give my email address for you to contact me?
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Hi Guy's
Once you have posted 3 times you can contact others by PM use the image that looks like a printed letter below the users name.
To upload images the image needs to be below 300kb see photo restoration board, if you are still having difficulty uploading images PM me and I will give you an email addy and I will upload your images for you.
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hi Bruce, thanks for the info. tried to send a message and attach photos but no luck so any help greatly appreciated!
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you can't send photos by PM but you can exchange email addresses
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Great thanks - i'll do it that way then :)