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Hello,
I've traced back my wife's Thompson ancestors to Ramsbottom, Lancs, but grind to a halt with the 1871 census and a marriage record.
I have a birth certificate for John William Thompson, born 31st March 1873 at 32 Union Street, Ramsbottom (also his father, the informant's, residence). Parents John Thompson, labourer in a paper mill and Elizabeth Thompson formerly Walter.
I invested in the birth cert having worked back through the 1881 - 1911 censuses - John William became a dental surgeon and his father John was a police constable born in Clitheroe, facts distinctive enough for me to be reasonably confident of the provenance back to 1881 and there's nothing contradictory on the birth certificate other than father John's occupation - I'm hoping he joined the constabulary between 1871 and 1881. Elizabeth appears to be Shuttleworth / Ramsbottom born & bred, I have no other clues as to her maiden name other than the birth certificate. The registrar's handwriting is consistent enough for me to be sure it's Walter rather than Walters or even Walker, although I guess the system wasn't infallible.
But I cannot find a marriage record and I cannot find any census records for them in 1871 or prior for Elizabeth. To be honest, I can't find any census records for the entire town of Ramsbottom at all in 1871, (using a website whose name rhymes with "France's tree") in order to try and find them "long-hand" - perhaps they didn't get transcribed?
Can anyone please nudge me back onto course? Many thanks in advance - Duncan.
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St Paul Ramsbottom
Bury
1872
Elizabeth Walker and John Thompson
Lancashire bmd
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Lancashirebmd also show the birth of John William Thompson in the sub district of Holcombe in 1873 with mothers maiden name Walker.
Mo
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Hi
1871 census niether elizabeth or John at 32 union street tottingham lower end sub distrct Holcombe Lancashire
ref Rg10 piece 3946 folio 273 page 5
cheers cardiff ;)
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Hi Duncan,
The only marriage record for John Thompson to an Elizabeth in the right area and time is this:
John Thompson to Elizabeth Walker, June Qtr 1872, Bury reg dist, 8c 637.
1871 Census on familysearch shows the following:
John Thompson b1845 Clitheroe, Lancs; residing as a lodger in Liverpool. sub district Dale Street & reg district Liverpool.
Elizabeth Walker b1841 Walmers Cum Shuttleworth, Lancs; residing in Tottington Lower End, Ramsbottom with mother rachael age 72 b Bolton.
Unfortunately familysearch shows neither occupations nor reference numbers for this census, hope this information still helps though!
Kind regards
David
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32 Union St in 1871:
3946/ 32 / 15
Look for:Racheal Walker born 1799
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32 Union Street,
Rachael Walker 72 widow b Bolton Lancs
Elizabeth Walker 30 dau unmarr cotton weaver b Walmers cum Shuttleworth
William Walker 49 head married carter b Manchester
Mary Walker 49 wife cotton winder b Haslingden
Mary A 16 dau b Ramsbottom
Elizabeth 12 dau b ditto
all at same address
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Hi
sorry must have ahad senior moment ??? ::)
cheers cardiff
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Emmanuel Holcombe
1st March 1840
Elizabeth Walker
daughter of William Walker and Rachel
abode Cart House
father a blacksmith
siblings,all children of William Walker,(blacksmith) and Rachel
Rachel ,1836,abode Fletchers Bank
David ,20 th April 1834,Fletcher Bank,
Robert,27th August 1831,Fletcher Bank
Richard ,31st Agust 1828,Fletcher Bank,
Thomas,23rd April 1826,Fletcher Bank
James 16th November 1823,Fletcher Bank,St Mary the Virgin ,
William,2nd September 1821,Abode Manchester,StMary the Virgin,
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St Mary the virgin Bury
3rd June 1819
William Walker,x,blacksmith,bachelor of this parish,
Rachel Greenhalgh,x,spinster of this parish,
married by banns
witness to marriage
Thos Hartley and Thomas Crompton
Lancashire opc
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St Mary the Virgin Bury
8th July 1848
William Walker,,x,full age bachelor,blacksmith of Ramsbottom
Mary Duckworth,full age,spinster,of Ramsbottom
grooms father William Walker blacksmith
brides father Thomas Duckworth ,spinner
witness to marriage by banns
William Whitworth and RA Crompton
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Radcliff, Mo, cardiff, Isobel, David and Maureen - Thanks so much that's been a fantastic help, and it's surely right because having followed your lead to Lancashirebmd I've checked Frederick Thompson, JWT's younger brother, and sure enough, his mother's maiden name is Elizabeth Walker. The next step that Radcliff has uncovered as well with Rachel Greenhalgh is a great bonus.
Having ruled out the name Walker based on my faith in the registrar's handwriting, imagine my surprise... Finding that Ramsbottom wasn't a registration district or sub-district in itself in 1871 was also an education, because those census records are on the commercial website I subscribe to after all, the town's name just doesn't appear to be amongst the search criteria that their database draws on.
So, I shall continue armed with new knowledge and back on the right track. Thanks again chaps!
Very best regards,
Duncan.