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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: Denise Kay on Tuesday 15 January 13 06:39 GMT (UK)
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William Beard - Brighton Sussex - married 27 Sept 1711- looking for info about wife and children
I do apologise -the date is wrong. I am searching for the parents and siblings of Frances Beard who married Thomas Nevell on 27 Nov 1711. I believe her father's name was William and maybe her mother's name was Francis.
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Where did you get the marriage date from? There is no marriage on the Sussex Marriage Index for that date. The nearest is July 10th 1711 to Mary Lancaster at Hastings St Clements.
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See IGI batch number C01125-2
Frances dtr of Wm and Frances baptised 20th March 1683. (may have died)
A further child Frances, baptised to William & Frances of Brighton 4 May 1690.
Siblings appear under same batch number Susanna 1681, Frances 1683, Nicholas 1685, William 1688, Frances 1690, Elizabeth 1692, Ann 1694, Sarah 1695, William 1697, Hannah 1701.
A note on the IGI for the last William reads: Tne 2nd by this name, 3rd son & 9th child.
that suggests they had at least 3 sons and 6 daughters (not all of whom may have survived)
The SFHG list William senior as having died in 1698, adding that William (1698?), son of Wm & Frances, also died in 1700 and was buried at Rottingdean.
Frances who married Thomas Nevill also in 1711, seems to have had both her brothers called William die in infancy, so should not have been a sibling of the other William Beard who also married in 1711.
Perhaps as a starting point it may therefore help to find a marriage date for William & Frances, the parents of this large Beard family in Brighton around 1680 or even earlier.
Roy G
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Arundel Quaker marriage William Beard to Frances Suter 5 May 1681. William of Brighton to Frances Suter the younger Chichester.
20 witnesses incl BEARD Nicho father, Will bro & Thos bro. SUTER Francis mother,
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Thank you Silligen and Roy G so much for that information. I will follow up your suggestions. I have also had no luck in finding out about Francis Suter. Have you any suggestions?
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Hi,
The couples in this conversation our my direct line ancestors .
After years of searching I have recently discovered that Frances Suter who married William Beard in 1681 was the daughter of William and Frances Suter ( she was buried in the Beard family burial ground in Rottingdean in 1705 )
Her sister was Elizabeth Suter (a witness at Frances wedding ) who married Jacob Stampe in 1684 in London .Elizabeth wedding record sates her father has William Suter , of Chichester, upholster and deceased by 1684 .Her sister the then Francis Beard is a named Witness to the service .
There appears to be a strong link between the Sussex and London Suter families .
Jacob Stampe was a Hatband maker in London and is associated William Beards brother Nathaniel Beard 1669 -1740 who was also a London Master Hatband Maker .
I think that they were involved in making the distinctive Quaker hats .All were Quakers .
Hope this helps
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William Beard 1656 -1730 ,upholster of Brighton and his wife Frances nee Suter C 1660 -1738 were married in 1681 ( Quaker records )
They had a least 11 children from which only 5 survived to adulthood .
Susannah 1681 -1747 married Jeremiah Tyler in 1701.Lived in London /Hendon area
Frances 1690 -1744 Married Thomas nevell in 1711 -They moved to live near to Chester in Cheshire
Sarah 1695 -1783 marries Charle Scrass in 1721
Elizabeth 1692 married Richard Hayllar in 1737
The only surviving son was Nicholas 1685 .He lived in London at Smithfield .
The information comes from numerous family wills and Quaker records .
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Dear Vonne
Thank you so much for this much sought after information. It is thoroughly appreciated.
Cheers
Denise
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Let me know if you need anything more .
I am continuing to look at the Suter family so may confirm more soon ?
My line is via Thomas Nevell and Frances nee Beard.
They moved to Tranmere /Parkside on the Wirral in Cheshire and had a successful business including a ship and a brewing business .
They traded to London and that is where Thomas suddenly died in 1743 .
Do you need information about William Beards parents ?
Regard Yvonne
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Thank you Vonne. I also am from Thomas and Frances.For William I have two dates -2 or 7 Nov 1656 and 2 or 7 jan 1656. I also have info that had William having 2 Hannahs, 2 Williams, Ann and Frances that died young. Do you know if Nicholas married ?
All the best
denise
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Hi ,
Yes , William and Frances had 11 children in total .
Nicholas is named in his Uncle Nathaniel will in 1740 along with the other of Williams surviving children
He is living in Smithfield in London .I have not seen his name in any Quaker records and he may have married out of faith or just left ??
Will let you know if I find any further details .I am visiting the Keep at Brighton in a few weeks to have a look at some of the Wills they have their .
My line is via William and Frances nee Suter ---son Thomas and Ann nee Gibson ----- their daughter Mary (1754 ) who married John Gillam .My maiden name was Gillam .
best wishes Yvonne
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Thank you vonne. I am from Thomas Nevell and Ann Gibson's son John. In August, my mother, brother and I are travelling to Scotland and Northern England to visit areas of our family history. My mother's maiden name was Groat so we are off to John O'Groat. My maiden name is Gaunt so we will visit Pudsey in Yorkshire. We will also visit York and Richmond where Thomas Readford was from. he married Elizabeth Nevell.
Unfortunately we are not going south. As my mother is 91 we felt that it would be too much this time. I do hope to do it in the future.
Happy research in Brighton. I would love to hear about you successes.
Cheers
Denise
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Hello vonne.
You said in your last post: "Nicholas is named in his Uncle Nathaniel will in 1740 along with the other of Williams surviving children. He is living in Smithfield in London."
Can you please advise why you think Nicholas has moved to Smithfield, London?
Thanks .....
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Why do I think Nicholas Bead was living in Smithfield ??
I lost some of my Beard notes after a computer failure .I will have to have a look through some paper work and check .I think I found some thing about Smithfield in another family will too and maybe at the Quaker Library.I kno wthat I found hinvery difficult to trace.
Have you seen a copy of Nathaniel Beard's Will ?
I have just got back from holiday and will have a look asp .
Regards Vonne
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Hello Vonne.
Sorry for the delay in replying: I've been doing solid research at The Keep for the past 3 days!
Yes, I do have Nathaniel Beard's will. His named Executor is his "nephew Nathaniel Barber of West Smithfield, London". That nephew was the son of the testator NB's sister Elizabeth (m. Ed. Barber, 1697/8).
His "nephew Nicholas Beard ..." receives five hundred pounds in that will, but there is no mention of his abode. So I was thinking you might have some other document suggesting he too was living at Smithfield in 1740 .....
Maybe you can help me with the search for my own Holy Grail? For a very long time I have been trying to establish WHICH Nicholas Beard married Susan Barnham at Brighton St. Nicholas on 17 Jan 1715/6.
Was it the Nicholas Beard born at Brighton on 15 June 1685 (Quaker meeting record), son of William and Frances? .... or was it the Nicholas Beard bapt. 8 Aug 1686 (Brighton St. Nicholas), son of Richard and Mary? I have a lot of material about all of this, but none of it answers my big question definitively.
If you have any information proving he was definitely one or the other of those two individuals, I would be VERY glad to hear about it!!
Thanks, Mike
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Hi Mike ,
Last week I visited the keep too .I was on a family holiday and decided that on this trip I could only concentrate on one specific family and looked at the Ayres family .I have spent several days in the keep over the past five years !
I have also had a a few visits to the Quaker Library near to Euston and I will have a close look through my notes later today .
Do you know the occupation of " your " Nicholas ?
Regards Yvonne
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Hi Mike ,
Nicholas the son of William is a benefactor in his Uncle John will in 1722 .Sadly his abode is not mentioned . Have you seen this will ?
Yvonne
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In William Beard's Will in 1730 his house in Brighton is left to his son Nicholas after the death of his wife .
William wife Frances died in 1738 and I guess Nicholas then lived in their old house in Brighton ?.
A Nicholas Beard is recorded as being at the marriage of William daughters ; Frances in 1711,Sarah in 1721 and Elizabeth in 1737 all in the Sussex area .There does not appear to a Nicholas Beard recorded at the marriage of Williams other daughter Susannah Beard in London in 1701. However Nathaniel Beard was there .
Hope any of this helps ?
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Thanks for these three replies, Vonne.
No, there is no occupation stated on the marriage record or any of the bapt. records (at Brighton, then Preston) of the seven children of "my" Nicholas and Susan. And see further below ...
Yes, I have the will (made in 1720) of John Beard (d.1722). That Nicholas (son of William) is also mentioned in several other wills (his grandfather's, his father's, and those of several uncles etc). But sadly not one of them makes any reference to his even being married, let alone naming his wife or any of his children. He is, as you say, also a witness at the weddings of three of his sisters, but with no hints about any wife! Water, water everywhere, but ........
And in a Conveyance of Quaker-related properties in 1735, one party is "Nicholas Beard of Brighthelmstone, shopkeeper". Since William Beard's property at his death in 1730 had included "shopps", it is highly likely that this Nicholas is the same man as in all the other records above.
WHEREAS there is no specific info. about the other Nicholas, following his baptism in 1686, son of Richard and Mary. And in the 1705 will of Richard Beard (d.1713), there is mention only of his brother and sisters, his wife Mary, and his only daughter and heiress Elizabeth (now Streatfield). And that info. about his daughter is repeated on his burial stone in Rottingdean Church. So what became of that other Nicholas is a mystery. He might have died (but no burial found). But he might have been disinherited. And he might have been the man who married Susan Barnham.
So there's my problem. I still can't say which Nicholas married Susan!
Mike