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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Satchwell on Tuesday 15 January 13 01:51 GMT (UK)
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Could someone please check the 1901 census for me. I am trying to see if James Rae who died 17/11/1909, aged 75, at 152 Longlands/Langlands Road, Govan is related to my husbands family. On his death certificate it says his parent's were Thomas Rae, boot & shoe maker & Jane Elliot (both deceased) & he was a widower having been married twice. 1st wife Mary Watam 2nd wife Susanna Buchanan or Duke. His daughter Agnes Jane Davis of 976 Govan Road, Govan, was present at his death. My husbands great grandfather James Stewart Rae was living at 151 Langlands Road in 1913 & 1914 & when his daughter was married in 1919 he was living at 152 Langlands Road. Is there a longlands & a langlands Road, in Govan? Any help or suggestions would be much appreciated.
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Hi Satchwell
Looks like Langlands Road, Govan was very heavily built up (tenements most likely?). Just over 1,900 people show as living at 'Langlands Road' in 1901 - a lot!
But, in spite of the number, can't see 152 coming up on a search, frustrating! Nor can I see a James Rae in his age group on that street. Do you know when his second wife Susanna died or whre James Rae was born?
Monica
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First wife for James I think should be Mary Watson (rather than Watam). From what I can see generally around:
James born in Ireland. Age in censuses doesn't necessarily match his age at death (by more than just a few years ::)). From aged 75 in 1909, born c. 1834?
1871:
James Rae 28 Ship Yard Labourer b. Ireland
Mary Rae 21 b. Ireland
William Rae 2 Months b. Glasgow
Thomas Logan 19 boarder
Address: 1 Mair Street, Govan
And 1881:
James Rea 40 Labourer (Boatyard) b. Ireland
Mary Ann Rea 30
William Rea 10
Jane Rea 5
Lizzie Rea 4
Sarah Rea 6 Months
Henry Montgomery 30 boarder
William Watson 22, boarder b. Wigtonshire
Address: 21 James Place, Govan
James must have moved to Langland Street in later years. For 1901, he shows at 35 Fleming St, Govan, with daughters Sarah and Isabella. Not sure where second wife Susan was then.
James and Mary married in 1870. Mary Watson died 1884 at 21 James Place,Govan, aged 33. James remarried Susan Buchanan in 1888. Susan died in 1905.
Some people have James's father as William, not Thomas. First born son is also William so might be worth you double checking this if you need to confirm further.
Monica :)
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Thanks for all this info Monica. I still can't see any family connection. James Stewart Rae as mentioned in my previous request was living at 9 James Place on the 1891 census. So they were certainly in the areas over the years. Rae was a fairly common name so guess that in itself didn't ment much. I do still wonder if James Rae who died 17/11/1909 may have been living with perhaps a nephew or cousin when he died. Will need to do further research. I've rechecked the death certificate & it definately says James father was Thomas Rae, but I guess that too could have been an error by the person giving the info at the time. You said that James wife Susan died 1905, do you know where she was living when she died? I will keep digging!
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Regarding Susan, second wife of James. From what I saw, her death is given as being in 1905 at the Govan Poor House.
You should be able to confirm all the details on SP if you need to check further.
If there is confusion regarding the name of James' father (Thomas v. William), again if you need to be more certain, you could also check either of his two marriage certs. perhaps.
Just for background on the post, is this the James Stewart Rae you are discussing, in 1891:
James Rae 33 Ship Rivetter b. Glasgow
Elizabeth Rae 28 b. Greenock, Renfrewshire
James Rae 9
John Rae 7
Thomas Rae 6
William Rae 2
George Rae 9 Months
Address: 9 James Pl, Govan
Monica
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Yes that is the James Stewart Rae I refer to. James Rae aged 9 is my husband's grandfather.
I will certainly check the marriages & thank you for place of death for Susan. Appreciate your help.
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James Place was part of Langlands Road. Sometimes addresses were given by the name of the row of tenements. It ran between Harmony Row and Helen Street.
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Thanks shieldhall for this info. Helps build up a picture of where they resided over the years. Certainly all lived within close proximity to one another over the years I've been searching.
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I am still trying to trace this family & wondered if someone could check the 1901 census for me:
1891 census 9 James Place, Govan, were as mentioned previously
James Rae, head, 33 ship riveter born Glasgow;
Elizabeth -wife 33 born Renfrewshire
James - son 9 " Govan, scholar
John " 7 " "
Thomas " 6 " "
William " 2 " "
George " 9 mths "
They also had the following children:
Alfred Rae born 25/11/1891 Govan
Elizabeth " 1894 "
Alfred " 1897 "
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1901 Census, 123 Langlands Road, Govan.
James Rae, head, 43, riveter, born Glasgow.
Elizabeth, wife, 39, Greenock Renfrewshire.
James, son, 19, barber, Govan
John, son, 17, apprentice plumber, Govan
Thomas B, son, 16, rivet boy, Govan
William, son, 13, scholar, Govan
George P, son, 11, scholar, Govan
Alfred, son, 3, Govan
Elizabeth, daur, 7, scholar, Govan
Steven
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Many thanks Steven, much appreciated.
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Andrew Young, my grandfather born 31 January 1892 at 20 Harmony Row. Father Andrew Young mother Janet (possibly Johnston) married 31 December 1888.
I am looking for siblings and or further information. All I have from that time is a birth certificate.
Many thanks
Angie
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Hi Angie
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Your post is tagged on an old thread connected to the Rae family. With your Young family, I wonder if this is the family in 1891 and 1901:
1891:
Andrew Young 34 engine fitter b. Paisley, Renfrewshire
Janet Young 27 b. Paisley, Renfrewshire
Catherine Young 1 1/2 yrs b. Govan
Address: 46 Harmony Row, Govan
1901:
Janet M Young 38 b. Renfrew, Renfrewshire
Catherine Young 11
Andrew Young 9
Alexr Young 7
James Young 6
Agnes H Young 5
David M Elder 17 boarder
Louisa S Mcgregor 28
Address: 40 John St, Govan
The transcript doesn't show marital status so I don't know whether father Andrew is away from home or has died between the censuses. Scotlands People is the place to check the original census and also a possible death for Andrew Snr.
Monica :)
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There is a marriage entry in Govan in 1889 for a Andrew Young and a Janet MCEWAN (ref
646/2 15). With the marriage being on 31/12, not surprising that the registration took place in 1889.
The details on the marriage cert for parents will let you work back to their families too. The image for this will be available too on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Monica :)
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Thank you so very much. This is my family, the father died before 1901. The Andrew that is 9 in 1901 is my grandfather born in 1892. Angie
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I am Searching for a Philip Wray and his wife Catherine their son John Patrick was born at 49 Langlands Road in 1902 I have the census records for 1901 but they are not shown as living there, their daughter Bridget was born in 1904 at 87 Russell Place would anyone know if this was the same area. Thank you
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John Patrick's birth certificate states his parents Philip and Catherine married 16/10/1901 Newtownbutler, Fermanagh, Ireland so in 1901 census not yet married and still in Ireland.
Annette
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Thank you, as I could not find them anywhere on the Irish 1901 census I thought maybe they were in Scotland when the census was taken in March, I did find a Philip Wray as a lodger working on a ship in 1901 birth date out by 4 years but no details of Catherine just don’t want to claim him as my grandfather without researching how and where he fits in. I also found a Philip Rea as a tenant occupier at 87 Russell Place Dalziel on the valuation roll 1905 that was the address his daughter was born in 1904. I am trying to sort out if Wray and Rea could be connected, just don’t want to use information because it looks good I really would like to feel more certain before I add details to my tree.
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John Patrick's birth certificate states his parents Philip and Catherine married 16/10/1901 Newtownbutler, Fermanagh, Ireland so in 1901 census not yet married and still in Ireland.
Here's the marriage in 1901-
Philip Wray to Catherine Culligan at Newtownbutler RC Church. Both are servants - Philip living at Gubb (Island), Catherine living at Bunn.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1901/10329/5760122.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/fermanagh/coole/galloon/derrysteaton/gubb/
https://www.townlands.ie/fermanagh/coole/galloon/kilturk/bun/
Catherine (Kate) in 1901 census.
House 2 in Bunn (Kilturk, Fermanagh).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Fermanagh/Kilturk/Bunn/1361112/
KG
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Thank you, I do have all the information from the Irish site it’s just Philips birth and trying to find him on the 1901 census I am struggling with. So kind of you to have gone to all the trouble of finding the Irish details.
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You have him in the 1911 census.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Fermanagh/Derrysteaton/Gubb/512849/
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Yes thank you.
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There is a RC baptism that shows as a faint possibility. I say faint because it is so faded ::)
It is a baptism of a Phillpe Hay, son of Philip Hay and Johanna on 19 May 1871. Further details on the transcript show as:
Parish Innismacsaint
Alternative parish names Bundoran, Inismacsaint, Magh Ene, Maghene
Diocese Clogher
County Donegal, Fermanagh
Given the poor quality, wondering whether the surname indexed as Hay should actually read Wray. Hard to say :-\
Monica
Added https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632799#page/81/mode/1up Hopefully someone can make out details better than me!
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Thank you I will take a good look at that one.