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Title: G.G.Grandfather Manchester
Post by: keasy on Monday 14 January 13 15:52 GMT (UK)

Looking for my G.G.Grandfathers death he was here in 1864 his wife was a widow in 1871, but I cant find nothing about him between those years. Anyone help me.

Title: Re: G.G.Grandfather Manchester
Post by: mosiefish on Monday 14 January 13 15:53 GMT (UK)

Hi Keasy,

Does he have a name and how old would he have been?
Mo

Title: Re: G.G.Grandfather Manchester
Post by: keasy on Monday 14 January 13 16:14 GMT (UK)

My G.G.Grandfathers name was Joseph Sixsmith, he would be aged 44 to 50

Title: Re: G.G.Grandfather Manchester
Post by: LizzieW on Monday 14 January 13 17:26 GMT (UK)

What was his wife's name and how do you know he was around in 1864?

Title: Re: G.G.Grandfather Manchester
Post by: keasy on Monday 14 January 13 17:48 GMT (UK)

Is wifes name was Emma Sixsmith nee Winstanley, they had a child in 1864

Title: Re: G.G.Grandfather Manchester
Post by: LizzieW on Monday 14 January 13 20:18 GMT (UK)

I can't see a death for him of the correct age. There is one in Manchester in 1866, age given as 38, giving a date of birth of about 1824 (1861 census suggests a date of birth of 1821) but it could be the right person.  You'd have to get the death certificate to find out for sure. Ref Manchester Jan-Mar 1866 8D 169.

Someone called Joseph Sixsmith married on 3 Jul 1880 at Christ Church, Eccleston, Lancashire, giving his father's name as Joseph Sixsmith bottle blower, which ties in with his occupation on the 1861 census.  It doesn't state the father is deceased, but that doesn't mean anything as quite often the question wasn't asked.

Title: Re: G.G.Grandfather Manchester
Post by: heatherjulie on Monday 14 January 13 20:28 GMT (UK)

Hi
Joseph Sixsmith married Emma Winstanley in 1840 at Eccles Parish St Mary's

Heather

Title: Re: G.G.Grandfather Manchester
Post by: mosiefish on Monday 14 January 13 20:30 GMT (UK)

I keep going back to the same death Lizzie.  Also I can`t find a suitable Joseph Sixsmith living in Lancashire born c.1828 in the 1841, 51 or 61 census. 

Keasy, it could be that whoever registered the death didn`t know his true age so when asked they used their best guess.  It certainly wasn`t unheard of. 

Mo

Title: Re: G.G.Grandfather Manchester
Post by: heatherjulie on Monday 14 January 13 20:33 GMT (UK)

Marriage: 31 May 1840 St Mary the Virgin, Eccles, Lancashire, England
Joseph Sixsmith - minor Bricklayer Bachelor of Pendleton
Emma Winstanley - (X), minor Spinster of Pendleton
Groom's Father: Joseph Sixsmith, Labourer
Bride's Father: William Winstanley, Glass Blower
Witness: Sarah Saxon, (X); Thomas Gorse

Title: Re: G.G.Grandfather Manchester
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 14 January 13 20:59 GMT (UK)

Quote from: mosiefish on Monday 14 January 13 20:30 GMT (UK)

I can`t find a suitable Joseph Sixsmith living in Lancashire born c.1828 in the 1841, 51 or 61 census. 

Here's a Joseph & Emma born c 1821 on the 1841 census Surname transcribed as SEXSMITH

 HO107; Piece: 521; Book: 5; Civil Parish: Warrington; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 3; Folio: 8; Page: 10
G? House Row Warrington
Alice SIXSMITH 50 Washerwoman
Thomas " 17 Ap.
Joseph " 20 can't make out his occupation possibly glass  maker
Emma " 20

Joseph Sixsmith Christening Date: 27 Aug 1820 St Elphin Warrington Lancashire
Father Daniel Sixsmith Mother Alice
 Abode: Bank Quay   Occupation: Glass Maker

Thomas Sixsmith ch date 1 Feb 1824 St Elphin, Warrington, Lancashire, England
father Daniel Sixsmith & Alice
Abode: Bank Quay   Occupation: Glass Maker

and possibly Emma in 1851

1851 HO107; Piece: 2231; Folio: 312; Page: 2
Emma Sixsmith married  30 Manchester
Thomas son 6 Manchester
Alice dau 3 Manchester
James Stanley son 14
Edward ditto 9
1 servant

Title: Re: G.G.Grandfather Manchester
Post by: heatherjulie on Monday 14 January 13 21:14 GMT (UK)

1861 at 42 Leigh Street East New Cross Manchester
Joseph Sixsmith 41 b1820 Warrington Glass bottle maker
Emma Sixsmith 42 b1819 Rotherham
Thomas Sixsmith 16 Rutter up of bottles
sarah A Sixsmith 13
Eliza Sixsmith 5
Joseph Sixsmith 3
William Smith 26 Glass teaser
James Saxon 22 Glass blower
Thomas Saxon 17 Glass blower
Edward Warren 30 Glass blower
George warren 27 Glass blower

Title: Re: G.G.Grandfather Manchester
Post by: heatherjulie on Monday 14 January 13 21:25 GMT (UK)

1851 in Manchester St Philip's Parish Newton
Emma Sixsmith Head  married b1821 Manchester
Thomas Sixsmith 6 son
Alice Sixsmith 3 daughter
James Stanley 14 b1837 Liverpool son
Edward Stanley 9 b 1842 Warrington son
Hary Birtles 22 servant

4/2231/312/2

Title: Re: G.G.Grandfather Manchester
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 14 January 13 21:55 GMT (UK)

I wonder if this is Joseph Sixsmith's brother's burial birth year a little out  :-\

Liverpool Parochial Cemetery Walton
Thomas Sexsmith age 57 birth year abt 1820
No 2178 remarks North house
Burial Date: 5 Jun 1877 Parish:   Walton Park

and could this be a son of Joseph & Emma

Name: Joseph Sixsmith age 10 days born abt. 1865
Burial Date: 10 May 1865 Parish: Walton Park

Title: Re: G.G.Grandfather Manchester
Post by: Marj on Tuesday 15 January 13 16:18 GMT (UK)

Hi

The registration for the death of Joseph in 1866 was Ancoats,
(Lancsbmd site), which would be the correct area where they lived in 1861


Marj

Title: Re: G.G.Grandfather Manchester
Post by: keasy on Tuesday 15 January 13 17:17 GMT (UK)

Hi Marj
          Thanks for the information I think I"ll send for the certificate it sounds about right