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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Warwickshire => Topic started by: daval57 on Monday 14 January 13 13:40 GMT (UK)
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I'm having difficulty in finding birth / marriage of James Pickering born c1851 - 1854 (depending on census result).
I have him in various census after he is married.
There are no obvious relevant census records prior to his marriage that I can be sure of so I THINK I need to find his marriage in the first instance to get his father's name.
Would that be my correct course of action? (I'm not used to English research).
What I have so far is:
James Pickering c1853 Coventry
wife: Elizabeth (Wilson?) c1853 Coventry (surname based on mother in law living with them).
children:
Bertha c1876 Coventry 1878 Meriden
Alice c1878 Coventry
George A Coventry
Ada c1881 B'ham
Alfred c1882 B'ham (the line I'm following)
Edith c1887 B'ham
Rose c1888 B'ham
Harry c1889 B'ham
Helen c1890 B'ham
Charles c1892 B'ham
from these census records:
1911 RG14; Piece: 18255 68 St Clements Rd, Dudeston Aston
1901 RG13/2873 178 Thimble Mill Lane Nechells Aston
1891 RG12/2424 11 Nechells Pk Rd Nechells Aston
1881 RG11/3035 do do do
1871 4 or 5 possibles but nothing definitive
1861 do do do
Using Ancestry, I can find no obvious marriage
I'm not familiar with how FreeBMD works but searching for James Pickering with Elizabeth Wilson as spouse:
Sep 1874 (likely given birth dates of children although it's in Nth Yorkshire?)
PICKERING James Pickering 9d 647
Sep 1877 (less likely as after birth of !st child but correct area?) ADDED *will look for 1st child birth date to confirm - suppose she could be illegitimate found 1st child - 1878
Pickering James Aston 6d 433
Searching for Elizabeth Wilson (with James Pickering as spouse) gives same two results.
Any help or guidance in finding James' birth or marriage, hence parents would be appreciated.
Thank you
Dave
ADDED: On Ancestry, Does 2 marriages with the same reference, ie, 6d 650, one in the male name and the other in female name, indicate both entries are for the same marriage?
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Yes if they have the same date and reference I should think its the same
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Thanks Val,
That would have been my guess too.
I was hoping for a definitive answer - I'm now finding conflicting information on FreeBMD and Ancestry.
Oh, and as for my other question - do you think looking for the marriage is the correct way to go, or do I have alternatives to try before forking out for possibly the wrong marriage?
D
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Same reference no. only means the marriage was registered on the same day at that particular Reg. office.
The name Wilson may only refer to the mother-in-Law who may have married more than once or Elizabeth may have done so.
jim
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Thanks re ref no Jim.
Good points re mother in law / wifes name although I'm fairly sure I have her with parents (double checking).
I'm really not sure how to progress this one to get more info on James.
Dave
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You had it all along:
Sept.1877/Aston/6d/433:
Eveniss Mary
Newey Henry
Pickering James
Wilson Elizabeth.
Names on the index are always listed in alphabetical order.
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Thanks. Good to know I was on the right track.
Just one more thing.
I'm probably being dumb but what is / are:
Eveniss Mary
Newey Henry
Dave
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Ah, yes. I see now - the previous names.
Thanks for the help.
Appreciated.
Dave
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I think you'll have to fork out for the identified marriage cert. How's your busking skills?
BTW on English certs, you only get a father's name (if the bridegroom knew who he was) and occupation. Don't get a mother's name. I'll have a bit more of a look to see if there's anything I can drag up from the depths (if so will let you know).
JULIAN
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Cheers Jules.
I kinda guessed the next step would have to be getting the marriage doc. What I was concerned about was perhaps having to get several until I found the correct one.
I knew I would only get fathers name but that will be enough to determine the correct earlier census records as on each of the possibilities, the 'HEAD' has a different forename. A more accurate age for James will help also.
Cheers.
Dave
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If 2 or more marriages are registered on the same day they will all have the same index number.
In this case 2 marriages were registered so you get 4 names all with the same number.
When ordering you will have to give one of the names + the rest of the info. as given.
I can't see James jumping out pre 1881 so it would be interesting to see who his father was.
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Yep, I agree.
I'm still feeling my way around with English research so getting these second opinions and your help has been great.
Cheers
Dave
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As Alfred is your direct line, I would definitely get his birth certificate to confirm parents names and just to enjoy having it.... but I think you are on the right track with the Sept quarter 1877 marriage registered Aston. Elizabeth's brother Charles WILSON is with them on the census as well as mother in law and you can see unmarried Elizabeth in 1871 with mother Mary and brother Charles in Coventry.
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Have these so far:
Christenings:
James Pickering/18/6/1854/St.Peter's Cov.Parents/Henry & Martha.
Do/16/5/1852/Stoke Cov.Parents/George & Mary.
jim
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That's great thanks.
To be honest, you're duplicating some searches I've already done.
I appreciate it, but I wouldn't want any of you to spend any more of your time on this for me.
You've successfully answered my main query, which was the direction I should go in and identifying the correct marriage of James and Elizabeth.
I'll mark the thread as completed.
Thanks again.
Dave