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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cavan => Topic started by: McMahon-Lynch on Monday 14 January 13 00:13 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for information on my great grandfather, Patrick Lynch of Coragloon, Mullagh, Cavan. He was born around 1870, and later married Mary McMahon (born to Laurence McMahon and Bridget Dolan) of Carrigagh, Moynalty, Meath, in 1893. However, I am trying to find out who Patrick's parents were, where he was born and in what year?
Family lore states that his dad was also named Patrick, and that he was a horse rustler in Cavan, but I am not sure who the younger Patrick's mother was? The families ancestral home in Cavan was confiscated by British during Cromwells time, but we don't have a townland name. I know my g grandpa had a brother, Hugh, and possibly another brother named Peter (who is listed in the 1911 census for Drumgolan, Cavan), but I am unable to confirm these details. They are also said to have had to sneak back into Cavan since they were notorious horse thieves.
Any help you could provide is greatly appreciated, as it would really help my family to trace the Lynch family beyond 1860. We have the history from 1870 to present, but the past eludes us.
Many thanks.
PJ
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Patrick Lynch’s marriage to Mary McMahon was registered in Kells Oct – Dec 1893 Volume 2, page 717. If you order a copy of that certificate, it should give you Patrick’s father’s name and occupation. Should also give you a townland which may help trace the family back. (Try parish records for baptisms of him and his siblings). There’s 9 Patrick Lynch births registered in Co. Cavan in 1870, so you need a little more information before you can order a birth certificate.
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Patrick and Mary's marriage certificate should list his father's name.
Peter Lynch in 1911:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cavan/Virginia/Drumagolan/349923
same Peter Lynch in 1901:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Stranorlar/Ballybofey_Town/1199795
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Thank you for your reply. I viewed their marriage record from the www.rootsireland.re website several months ago, but it it is missing some info. However, it shows that Patrick Lynch and Mary MacMahon were married on 30 Aug 1893, in Moynalty, Co. Meath. What it doesn't show is their fathers' names, witness info and townland.
I know from family records that Mary's family was living at Carrigagh (Curraha) in Meath, but they ended up moving to where some of Patrick's family lived in Cavan (or so I have been told), settling at Corragloon(e), Crossbane. I was hoping to discover the ancestral home of the Lynches, rather than where they settled in the mid-1800s, but that may be impossible due to the lack of records. Family rumor has it that they descended from a Colla line and possibly the Stuarts (but it's unconfirmed and my grandma would never talk about it)?
I never heard anything about Peter living in Donegal, but it looks like Patrick and Peter's brothers were also living there too around 1901. However, Peter lists on the census records that he was born in Cavan, and his wife was born in Antrim. Family lore states that part of his family fled Cavan in order to escape prosecution for stealing horses and cattle. My understanding is that they snuck back into Cavan and set up house without the authorities (British) knowing.
To obtain an official copy of their marriage and birth records, where can I purchase one? I am assuming these records would have more information than what was on the records I downloaded from IFHF?
Thank you again.
PJ
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www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index
There are quiet a few Patrick Lynch in Cavan - some being in Mullagh that you mention. :)
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To obtain an official copy of their marriage and birth records, where can I purchase one? I am assuming these records would have more information than what was on the records I downloaded from IFHF?
Go to the GRO Roscommon website: www.groireland.ie/ Download the application form you need, and complete with the information you have, including the location, year, quarter (if one is shown), Volume & page number. Put that information on the lines for date and place of the event etc. Don’t worry if you have to leave some boxes blank, eg PPS number. Be sure to tick the box marked photocopy if that suits you as that is cheaper. You then either fax or post the form off (there is no e-mail option for certs pre 1.1.1922). Should cost you €4 for a photocopy. Their turnaround time is 7 to 10 days plus however long the post takes.
You will normally get more information on the actual certificate than appears on some commercial sites.
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to follow up on the details Elwyn posted - these are notes on the details that are included on Civil research certs. (except for some usual situations or mistakes etc)
See : Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,599538.0.html)
Details included on a Birth Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433041.0.html)
Details included on a Marriage Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html)
Details included on a Death Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433043.0.html)
Shane
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Thank you everyone for your help. I'll follow up and let you know how it goes.
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So I order the documents, but it came back that they have no record of my great grandma, Mary MacMahon/McMahon? I know she was baptized in Moynalty, Meath on 17 April 1869, but apparently, this wasn't when or where she was born. I have copies of her baptism record from the Irish History Foundation site, but I need to figure out where she was born in order to get her certificate. Guess it's back to the drawing board!
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Exactly what information did you give when requesting the birth certificate?
(Moynalty is in Kells registration district as far as I know).
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I completed the form with all the information I had - baptism date, birthdate (+/- a few years), parish, parent's names, associated townland - essentially everything I know about her.
The only think I can think of is that my great grandma, Mary McMahon, wasn't born in Moynalty, Meath, merely baptized there? Perhaps she was born in Dublin, as were a few of her 19 siblings? Also, her baptism records show her name as MacMahon, while her dad, Laurence, used Mahon before switching to McMahon around 1900.
I know they lived at Carrigagh in Moynalty (later Trohanny), Meath since I commissioned a general report on my family several months ago that stated such. Her parents, Laurence and Bridget Dolan, were born to men named James, and they grew up next to each other at Carrigagh. Laurence lied about his birthdate when marrying Bridget, listing his birthdate as 1845, when he was actually born around 1830.
It doesn't surprise me that I can't find their records, as my grandmother's records are also missing (she was born Kathleen Lynch in 13 Mar 1907). It's very frustrating.
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I believe we may be related as my paternal grandmother, Julia Lynch, was born to Patrick Lynch and Julia Mc Mahon in September 1902.
Baptism was at the Church of Immaculate Conception in Cross Mullagh and sponsored by Joseph Mc Mahon and Brigid Mc Mahon.
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Should add that I have a 1935 letter from Mary to daughter Julia (my grandmother) That mentions Patrick would be turning 70 on Xmas day of that year. i would guess that he was born Dec. 25 1865.
Also the letter refers to "B" being in Dublin and unwilling to leave a boyfriend to return home to Coragloon.
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Welcome to RootsChat, Jimmy :)
I believe we may be related as my paternal grandmother, Julia Lynch, was born to Patrick Lynch and Julia Mc Mahon in September 1902.
Your grandmother Julia Lynch born 28 September 1902 at Corragloon.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01890/1734595.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/cavan/castlerahan/mullagh/crossbane/corragloon/
Lynch in 1911 census.
House 4 in Corragloon (Crossbane, Cavan).
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cavan/Crossbane/Corragloon/336645/
However, it shows that Patrick Lynch and Mary MacMahon were married on 30 Aug 1893, in Moynalty, Co. Meath.
Married 29 August 1893 at Moynalty RC Church. Both 25 yrs old. Fathers Owen Lynch (dead) a farmer and Laurence McMahon a farmer.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1893/10616/5867826.pdf
Patrick living in the townland of Curraghglue [sic], Co Cavan. Mary living in the townland of Carriga [sic], Co Meath.
https://www.townlands.ie/meath/lower-kells/moynalty/trohanny/carrigagh/
KG
***Edited to Add***
1901 census
House 5 in Corragloone (Crossbane, Cavan)
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cavan/Crossbane/Corragloone/1055765/
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Thanks so much for this!
I notice that Julia's birth certificate lists a Sept. 28th birth.
Her baptismal certificate claims a Sept. 27th birth with the baptism the same day.
Are such discrepancies common?
Curiously, i do not see a Brigid listed in the family census. My sister does remember talk of an "Aunt" Brigid. We both have met "Laurence" and "Kathleen".
Maybe the OP can respond.
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Curiously, i do not see a Brigid listed in the family census.
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Maybe the OP can respond.
Might this be Bridget in the 1911 census?
House 83.1 in West Street (part of) (Fair Gate, Louth)
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Louth/Fair_Gate/West_Street__part_of_/571730/
The OP (McMahon-Lynch) was last online here in September 2014 and is unlikely to reply.
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Always a possibility but the OP had specified that Brigid was born to Patrick Lynch of Coragloon and Mary McMahon. I am certain they are my great grandparents. I guess its possible that Brigid was born after the 1911 census which would explain why she was not represented.
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I guess its possible that Brigid was born after the 1911 census which would explain why she was not represented.
See the 1901 census in reply #13.
Bridget Helena Lynch born 22 October 1897 at Corragloon. Her father Patrick a farmer and her mother Mary (the informant) MN McMahon. #152
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02106/1802040.pdf
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How interesting. It looks like the Lynch family moved from House 5 to house 4 sometime between 1901 and 1911. Eigene and sister Bridget are not listed with the family on the 1911 census. Is it possible that the Lynch family were split between the two addresses? Or that in 1911 Eigene (age 17) and Bridget (age 13) were living away from the family unit. From the info provided by the OP we know that Bridget lived long enough to become a mother so it is highly unlikely that she died prior to 1911.
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Not house numbers, form numbers.
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001700591/
Houses in rural areas don’t have numbers.
Note how the order of how each family was enumerated changes from one census to the next.
1901
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000442245/
1911
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001700580/
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Thanks. I was wondering why those numbers changed from one census to the other.
But not sure what is meant by "form numbers".
And why is Col. 1
. labeled "No. of house or building"?
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Form number is the number of the census form. See the first link above.
The forms are all standard, the same form is used in urban (where they are likely to have house numbers) and rural (where they are very unlikely to have house numbers) so rural houses are given the number of the form to make doing the census easier.
I lived on a Main Street of a small town and no house ever had a number until eircodes were introduced a few years ago.
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Got it. Thanks