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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Will4406 on Sunday 13 January 13 08:46 GMT (UK)
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i was wondering if maybe i could get a little guidance of where to go from here as i have hit a wall.
I have been able to find my family back to my 2nd great grandfather John Broughton (born 1859 in England) who married (feb 15 1880 Habergham Eaves, Lancashire, England at the Church of the Holy Trinity) Mary Ellen Kelly (born 1861 England). They had 3 children (George born 1883 England, Frederick born 1892 Burnley Lancashire England, and Herbert Born 1897 Burnley Lancashire England).
I have a scan of the 1916 Calgary Alberta Census to Confirm and it also shows that George emigrated with his wife Winnie in 1907 and everyone else came in 1909.
I Believe John's father was named George and Mary Ellen's Father is named John (thru marriage info) but i have been unable to figure out how to find out any other info nor how to proceed. i have 0 money i can spend (makes this especially tough) but i could really use a guiding hand.
I hope i posted this properly and i appreciate any and all help. Maybe the tree will help tie in someone else's loose ends too!
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Some things are free: 1881 census https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQDF-LNH
and this looks like it could be John Broughton in 1871: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KDXQ-694
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Birth registered
Burnley
1860
John Edward Broughton
mother Openshaw,
Lancashirebmd
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You can search here for their other children: http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk
Broughtons born Burnley, mother's maiden name Kelly:
May 1881
George 1883
Amy 1888
William 1889
Fred 1892
Gertrude 1894
Herbert 1897
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1901
7 Hart Street, Burnley
John Broughton 40 Tailor
Mary E Broughton 38
May Broughton 19 Confectioner's assistant
George Broughton 17 Grocer's do
Fred Broughton 8
Gerty Broughton 6
George Broughton 3 (this must be Herbert)
All shown as born Burnley
A May Broughton married a Henry Shaw in Burnley in 1904: (either Burnley Register Office or Registrar Attended).
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1891
5 Blenheim Street, Burnley
John Broughton 31 Sailor (presumably a mistranscription of Tailor) Burnley
Mary E Broughton 29 Blackpool
May Broughton 9 Burnley
George Broughton 7 Burnley
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This may well be Mary Ellen Kelly with her family in 1871 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KZPJ-N7Y
John Kelly was a photographer
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This may well be Mary Ellen Kelly with her family in 1871 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KZPJ-N7Y
John Kelly was a photographer
That looks right as the marriage cert. confirms that John Kelly was a photographer and George Broughton was a Spinner.
Mo
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In the 1861 census, John Kelly is away from home at the Show Ground in Todmorden - he's on a schedule of "persons not in houses".
His family are in Blackpool (Clifton Street - number 17 or thereabouts):
Mary Kelly 27 - Photographer's Wife, Huddersfield
Mary Kelly 5 - March, Cambridgeshire
James Kelly 4 - Blackpool,
Catherine Kelly 1 - Blackpool
Elizabeth Smith 12 Servant - Bradford, Yorkshire
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Per Lancs BMD it looks like Mary Kelly's maiden name was McKey or McKay. There's a possible marriage in Preston in 1854: John Kelly/ Mary MacKay (Preston Register Office or Registrar Attended).
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There's an interesting item in The Era for 26 September 1875:
"Married, at Glasgow,on the 20th inst, William Campbell, the Scottish Giant, to Polly, daughter of Mr John Kelly, photographer,Burnley, Lancashire"
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wow thanks for all that info. i don't have time to actually go thru it and i probably wont for the next couple days but i just wanted to say thanks alot, i REALLY appreciate it!
on a quick side note i did a quick google search of the Scottish Giant William Campbell and a site came up to test your Newcastle Knowledge and 1 of the questions was
75. What was the weight of the Scottish Giant, William Campbell, Landlord of the Duke of Wellington?
Answer
52 stones - 330 kg or 727.5 lbs!
His Coffin was 7 feet long 3 feet 6 inches wide and 2 feet 10 inches deep
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A photo of the Scottish Giant http://tinyurl.com/atz3ms5
There's an ad in The Era for July 9th 1876 (page 14):
WILLIE CAMPBELL, the Scottish Giant, has met with an enthusiastic reception in the Channel Islands where he has shown to upwards of 30,000 persons. Now creating a tremendous furore in CHERBOURG in FRANCE. Would like to hear from Charles Jameson. Also John and James Kelly, photographer.......
address Messrs NORMAN and CAMPBELL, Post-Office, Cherbourg, France
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1878 poster for Maskelyne & Cooke's Egyptian Hall http://tinyurl.com/bkaqsz2
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Per Lancs BMD it looks like Mary Kelly's maiden name was McKey or McKay. There's a possible marriage in Preston in 1854: John Kelly/ Mary MacKay (Preston Register Office or Registrar Attended).
how did you figure out thats the right Mary? I only ask because i can't find any records that link "Mary Kelly" to specifically "Mary McKey/Mckay/Mackay" vs any number of "Mary so and so's" that John could have married. ( I'm still fairly new (less than 1 year) to genealogy and i'm still learning the process of elimination game)
Thanks!
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how did you figure out thats the right Mary? I only ask because i can't find any records that link "Mary Kelly" to specifically "Mary McKey/Mckay/Mackay" vs any number of "Mary so and so's" that John could have married.
Have you looked for the birth registrations of the children on Lancs BMD? You will see that the mother's maiden name is shown
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
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well i feel silly asking that question now haha because thats how i figured out mary ellen's last name was kelly in the first place. It never dawned on me to check mary ellen and siblings.
thanks for the quick response! And all the help thus far.
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I am responding to this post because John Kelly is in my family tree (and David Chappell's). William Campbell (24) married Mary Kelly (20) at 33 Connely Park Street, Glasgow, which was also their home address. William is a ? - Pressman. William's father is also William Campbell who was a Victualler. William's mother is Marion Campbell (formerly Barron). Mary Kelly's father is John Kelly who was a photographer. Her mother is also Mary Kelly (formerly MacKay).
Hope you find this useful.
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sohttp://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/30674004mething i found a while back regarding william campbell.