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Hi everyone, Could someone put new eyes to my quest?
George (isle)Ramsey b-1873 married Eunice Skinn in 1896 in Thorne, Yorkshire, They had a Daughter called Martha,Leah, Elizabeth,May Ramsey b-abt 1898, Eunice died in Thorne in 1908 at the age of 28.
Now then, here is my problem, I cannot find Eunice Ramsey or Martha on the 1901 census, they seem to have completely disappeared. There also seems to be 2 more children which were born later, Mona in 1905 in Thorne and Lilly in 1902 also in Thorne, I cannot find the birth of these as well and it is driving me to distraction, any help as always would be extremely appreciated.
George remarried about 1910 and all 3 children were living with him and his second wife Ada after the marriage.
Many thanks and my best regards always,
jess5athome
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Hi,
Think this is maybe one of the births you were looking for
Lily Alberta E L Ramsey
Jul-Aug-Sep 1901
Thorne, Yorkshire West Riding.
Volume 9c page 942.
Wonder if this is the other, they seem to like a lot of forenames :)
Amy Elaine M I Ramsey
Jun 1905 - Thorne, Yorkshire West Riding.
Volume 9c page 928.
claire
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Hi Claire, many thanks for that, it looks like it could be the births, at least it gives me a bit more scope for the 1901 census, many thanks. :)
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Wonder if this is them in 1901, all the ages and birthplaces are correct, just the names are wrong
Yorkshire Goole
George Ramsey 27 Dock labourer bn Thorne
Emma Ramsey 21 " "
Lewis Ramsey 3 " "
Class: RG13; Piece: 4424; Folio: 48; Page: 35
Boarding with the Middleton family.
I can't see a birth for a Lewis Ramsey bn. c1898 in Thorne, or a marriage in Thorne for a George Ramsey and Emma.
claire
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Hi Jess,
Perhaps this is your answer?
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OOOOOOOPS! Got that wrong, the 1901 census was in March. :-[
Time to go in the darkened room.
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There is also ...
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Looking at the pages could it be that Eunice passed away while giving birth to Eunice Evelyn as it would appear that both deaths occured in the quarter April, May,June of 1908?
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Hi TomDodds, yes that's her death in 1908, but I cant seem to find her on the 1901 census,
Claire the family in Goole are the wrong ones unfortunately, George married Eunice Skinn in the Sept 1/4 of 1896.
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Hi TomDodds, that could be a possibility that Eunice died in childbirth and the child died several months later in the early part of 1909, I had not thought along those lines.
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Assuming her death was in 1908 at the age of 28 the 1901 cesus would have her around the age of 21 so could it be they were not married ie together then?
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Hi jess5athome,
Just found this on freebmd!
Ramsey, Martha Leah E M, Dec Qtr 1897, Thorne, 9c 881.
This is in all probability the one you were looking for.
Kind regards
David
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Hi Jess just found this that will be of interest..
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Hi TomDodds, sorry but the moderator has removed your posts as you cannot copy and paste so I am unable to read what you said :(
They were married/together in 1901 as they were married in Sept 1/4 1896.
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Hi Jess I have seen and had a few emails with regard to this and have replied as I could not see any copyright info in the information i found for you
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Hi everyone, it looks as if Eunice died while giving birth to Eunice Evelyn, according to what I have found (freeBMD) Eunice died March 1908 and Eunice Evelyn was born in March 1908 even if freeBMD show the results in "monthly quarters" it is too much of a coincidence to be wrong, Eunice Evelyn then died in March 1909 at approx 9 months of age.
However I can still find no trace of Eunice in the 1901 census :(
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I believe that the 1901 Census at Goole is in fact your family and probably a mighty hash-up made by the enumerator - reasons being:
Your George Ramsey is the only one bc.1873 Thorne
There is no Lewis Ramsey bc.1898 Thorne
Could well be that the enumerator noted down the details roughly and wrote it up properly afterwards when the mistakes were made - for Emma read Eunice, and for Lewis read Leah. Perhaps spelling wasn't his forte!
Annette
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Hi Annette, thanks for the reply, I fear you could be correct, there is nothing at all for a Lewis Ramsey on nearly everything I have looked at for that time scale and area.
It must be one of the most frustrating things about family history, you tell yourself to check, double check and even triple check and then realise someone in some kind of official capacity made a mistake a hundred years ago. >:(
Oh well, onwards and upwards. :)
jess5athome
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Hi Jess,
There is a 1901 census with a George Lewis who was born in Thorne circa 1874 aged 17 who was a farm servant.
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Hi TomDodds, when you say George Lewis, did you mean George Ramsey?, if so then thankyou as that is the same George, he was working as a farm servant in Austerfield near Doncaster.
Jess5athome
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OOps yeah sorry lol as doing research for a lady in Austria for Lewis family here in uk lol
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There is also a Lewis Ramsey in the 1901 census born in 1898 in Thorne residing in Goole as a boarder aged 3
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Hi, yeah, as Annette7 said, it could well be that the enumerator made a complete hash of the entries and got the names all wrong as the 3 people mentioned on the census page (2 adults and 1 child) all have the correct age details. If you have a quick look at page 2 of this thread you will see what I mean.
jess5athome
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It dosnt look like an error as all three Ramsey's were boarders in the house
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Yeah, I know "Clutching at straws" springs to mind but that is the only thing that comes close as there is not a thing anywhere on the 1901 census regarding them, and as Annette7 says, Lewis could have been wrote down instead of Leah as that is what Martha was sometimes called (she was known by that name for the census which followed.
George could have travelled around looking for work I suppose, 1891 farm servant in Austerfield, 1901 dock labourer in Goole, and then 10 years or so later he was a Hay cutter in Thorne.
All in close proximity to each other.
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The interesting point of that 1901 census in goole is that there was George Ramsey 27 and also Emma Ramsey 21. Not the name of Eunice as you are researching.
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Hi, yeah, this is where the theory that the enumerator had a massive writing error comes in as the age ties in with everything else just that the names are wrong :-[
To be honest I`m completely stumped :-\ with the lack of any information for them in the 1901 census.
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Hi jess5athome,
Did you note my reply re birth record for Martha Leah E M Ramsey (reply 11) thus:
Just found this on freebmd!
Ramsey, Martha Leah E M, Dec Qtr 1897, Thorne, 9c 881.
This is in all probability the one you were looking for.
Kind regards
David
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Hi David, many thanks for that. Yes, that is Martha, (usually known as Leah), my problem is that I cannot find them as a family on the 1901 census they seem to have completely disappeared.
The only thing I can think of is as previously said that the enumerator got things mixed up and that they are shown in the 1901 census as lodgers in Goole with names mis-transcribed.
Best regards always,
jess5athome