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Title: family Francis and Thomas
Post by: fredirain on Wednesday 02 January 13 15:06 GMT (UK)
Hello,

I am looking for information about the ancestors of my girlfriend in Glamorganshire.
Currently I have the following information:

grandfather:
- Ivor Gordon Francis, 1927-1964, born in Pontardawe, Glamorganshire

great-grandparents:
- Evan Francis
- Dorothy M Thomas
-> Married about 1927 in Pontardawe, Glamorganshire

Great-great grandparents:
- Benjamin Thomas, died before 1958, + Florence unkown, died about 1965
- Rest of people: all unknown unfortunately

I would be very happy if anyone can help!

best wishes
Frederick
Title: Re: family Francis and Thomas
Post by: Morganllan on Wednesday 02 January 13 20:50 GMT (UK)
Hello Frederick  :)

Welcome to Rootschat!

You can check for births, marriages, and deaths in freebmd:

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

The marriage of Dorothy and Evan took place at the start of 1927
Pontardawe volume 11a page 1306

If you purchase the marriage certificate, it will provide more information such as addresses, ages, Father's names and occupations.

Have you tried to find them on 1911 census, which is pay to view?

http://www.1911census.co.uk/

Kind Regards
Morgan
Title: Re: family Francis and Thomas
Post by: fredirain on Thursday 03 January 13 11:05 GMT (UK)
Hello Morgan

thanks for your answer! ;-)
Where can I purchase the marriage certificate? Sorry, I am not from the UK.


Best Regards
Frederick
Title: Re: family Francis and Thomas
Post by: fredirain on Thursday 03 January 13 14:38 GMT (UK)
Good News! I found the family of Dorothy Thomas on the 1911 census:

- Benjamin Thomas, hairdresser, born 1877 in Docks Cardiff
- Florence Thomas, his wife, born 1879 in Hugheskaffa (?), Russia (?)
- Florence Thomas, 1st daughter, born 1906 in Pencoed
- Dorothy Thomas, 2st daughter, born 1908 in Pencoed

Does anybody know what "Hugheskaffa" mean?

Best
Frederick
Title: Re: family Francis and Thomas
Post by: fredirain on Thursday 03 January 13 16:11 GMT (UK)
Hello

I´ve also found Benjamin Thomas on 1881 census.
The problem is that I unfortunately can not read the handwriting.
I need the data of the family members of Benjamin in 10 alice street.

Could someone help me? The document is attached.

thanks
Frederick
Title: Re: family Francis and Thomas
Post by: Morganllan on Thursday 03 January 13 20:22 GMT (UK)
Hello  :)

I'll transcribe the details for you and post here shortly!

Modified - 1881 at 10 Alice Street, Cardiff St Mary Parish
    
John Thomas Head age 39  Boiler Maker  born Tidman? Monmouthshire
Rachel Thomas Wife age 48  born Newport, Monmouthshire
Emma Thomas Dau age 17  born Chepstow, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth A. Thomas dau age 12  born Cardiff
Andrew J. U. Thomas Son age 9  born Cardiff
Benjamin U. Thomas son age 4  born Cardiff

Are you confident that the 1881 and 1911 family are the correct people?

Kind Regards
Morgan
Title: Re: family Francis and Thomas
Post by: Morganllan on Thursday 03 January 13 20:48 GMT (UK)
You can purchase UK certificate online from here:

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Check the correct info (place, volume, and page reference) from Freebmd site.

I think the Russian birthplace is probably Highesovka:

http://www.alangeorge.co.uk/hughesovka.htm
Title: Re: family Francis and Thomas
Post by: Morganllan on Thursday 03 January 13 20:59 GMT (UK)
In 1901, Benjamin was a hair dresser, age 24, boarding with Ann Hopkin, at 8 Brackla Street, Old Castle area of Coity.

RG13 Piece 5050 Folio 79 Page 29
Title: Re: family Francis and Thomas
Post by: Morganllan on Thursday 03 January 13 21:11 GMT (UK)
1891 Benjamin was with his sister Emma at 22 Aberystwyth Street, Splott, Cardiff

James Dyer Head age 27  Engine Fitter  born Swansea
Emma Dyer Wife age 27  born Chepstow
Benjamin Thomas Brother-in-law age 13  Scholar  born Cardiff

RG12 Piece 4390 Folio 21 Page 29
Title: Re: family Francis and Thomas
Post by: fredirain on Friday 04 January 13 12:36 GMT (UK)
Dear Morgan,

thanks a lot! You are very helpful.

The mom of my girlfriend confirmed that Benjamin was a hair dresser.
In cenus 1911 and 1901 it is the right person.

I'm unfortunately not sure if the people of 1881 and 1891 are the correct people?
I guess I need first the marriage certificate of Benjamin.


Best
Frederick

Title: Re: family Francis and Thomas
Post by: fredirain on Friday 04 January 13 20:43 GMT (UK)
Hello,

I found this:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JV3V-9CP

So I'm fairly certain that John Thomas is the father of Benjamin.
What do you think?


Best
Frederick
Title: Re: family Francis and Thomas
Post by: Morganllan on Sunday 06 January 13 00:19 GMT (UK)
Quote from: fredirain on Friday 04 January 13 12:36 GMT (UK)

I'm unfortunately not sure if the people of 1881 and 1891 are the correct people?
I guess I need first the marriage certificate of Benjamin.

I think the 1881 and 1891 match because Emma (Benjamin's sister) was born in Chepstow. The marriage certificate should confirm his Father's name and occupation.
Title: Re: family Francis and Thomas
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Sunday 06 January 13 19:45 GMT (UK)
I think this could be the marriage for Benjamin and Florence

Oct- Dec 1902   Cardiff    11a   543
Cody    Jane Florence           
Jones    Florence Lois         <<<
Phelps    Albert        
Thomas    Benjamin Walters         <<<

Allied with 1901 census - RG13, 5049, 41, 7. Florence Lois Jones - b Russia, British subject, working as a kitchenmaid at the County Asylum in Coyty/Bridgend area
Title: Re: family Francis and Thomas
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Sunday 06 January 13 19:48 GMT (UK)
Benjamin Walters Thomas
Birth Registration Jul-Aug-Sep 1876, Cardiff Vol 11a, page 314.