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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: dellfrog on Monday 31 December 12 13:31 GMT (UK)
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HI
I have traced my ancestor to a George Henry Mott died 26th June 1909 married Mary Catherine
Quill (De Longford ) born Killarney Ireland 1840. On 15th October 1859 Islington London 4B page 431 last quarter. the marriage certificate gives father as William Mott. The 1861 Census gives a George Henry Mott and Mary Mott at 63 Beresford Street Newington with a baby Mary who died 1862. The marriage certificate gives George Henry Mott address as 4 Portland Place . It gave Mary Quill address as 3 Barnsbury Place.
I cannot crack Mother and Father of George Henry Mott and neither can I track the couple in 1871 census records ( 1961 and 1881 OK) along with children Sarah 1865, William H. 1867 and Agnes G 1871.
Any help would be appreciated - happy new Year to all
Derek Mott
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Derek, how old was George when he married Mary? And what were George and William's occupations?
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Could it be this couple? The marriage is witnessed by Emmeline Something Mott I think
1851 Islington
44 Upper Park Street
William Mott head m 43 hosier Essex Horndon
Emmeline ditto wife m 33 Surrey Lambeth
Emmeline ditto dau 2 Middx Islington
Ann Parton servant m 43
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I think the witness names are Emmeline Novemia Mott and Sarah Pond Bird?
On the marriage cert both George and his dad William were warehousemen.
Deaths Dec 1895
Mott Emmeline Novemia aged 80 W. Ham 4a 91
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Possible parents marriage?
Marriages Dec 1838
HUNTER Emmeline Novemia Westminster 1 357
MOTT William Westminster 1 357
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So that would make Emmeline step-mother to George Henry?
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In 1851 there is an 11 year old George Mott born London at a school in South Mimms.
HO107/1701 Folio 82 Page 3
Just noticed a 9 year old Charles Mott there too ;)
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So that would make Emmeline step-mother to George Henry?
He was born in 1840 so she's his mum surely?
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Yes sorry, not thinking there!
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He was born in Knightsbridge in 1840 - but can't see the family in 1841 can you?
With a name like Emmeline she should be easy to find ;D
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Hi I think Emmeline could be an Emma in 1841?
HO107/732/ 1/13 / 18
Keyboard86
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Is that the Lambeth family?
If so, I don't think it's them as there is an Emma and 'our ' family have an Emmeline b Islington 1849. Not convinced anyway.
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I don't think the Lambeth family is very likely either. William, Emma and George all baptised together and the father down as a gold and silver papermaker.
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1871 in Stratford West Ham
Emmeline N Mott widow head 53 Ladies School b London Middx
Alice E Mott dau 18 unm assistant b Islington
3 boarders and governesses.
The other Emma Mott was born in Lambeth.
Working backwards from there.....
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Not sure if anyone has mentioned his birth cert yet
Is this him?
Sep 1840 St Geo Han Sqr 1 15
Mott George Henry
Milly
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Not sure if anyone has mentioned his birth cert yet
Is this him?
Sep 1840 St Geo Han Sqr 1 15
Mott George Henry
Milly
They are in Knightsbrige Hanover Sq in 1841 ?
Keyboard86
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If using a certain site try MALL
Keyboard86
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If using a certain site try MALL
Keyboard86
::) You could be right but it is hard to tell.
HO107 piece 732 folio 13 page 18
William 30 no (edited)
Emma 23 yes
George 1 yes
Anyhow, it would be best to get the birth certificate to be sure of the parents and that might help with an address.
PS The school entry in 1851 has a possible younger brother Charles - could be Charles Frederick, does that fit family info?
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If using a certain site try MALL
Keyboard86
::) You could be right but it is hard to tell.
HO107 piece 732 folio 13 page 18
William 30 yes
Emma 23 no
George 1 yes
Anyhow, it would be best to get the birth certificate to be sure of the parents and that might help with an address.
William is not born in county, Emma and George are yes?
Keyboard86
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1871 in Stratford West Ham
Emmeline N Mott widow head 53 Ladies School b London Middx
Alice E Mott dau 18 unm assistant b Islington
3 boarders and governesses.
The other Emma Mott was born in Lambeth.
Working backwards from there.....
Just for added info:
Mar 1853 Islington 1b 194
MOTT Alice Elizabeth
Milly
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Thinking about the marriage witnesses..
Sarah Pond Bird
widow, late of 76 Daneville Road, Camberwell
Died 18 Nov 1881
Probate 13 Dec 1881
Estate £330 17s 6d
And 1881 Census
76 Daneville Road
Sara Bird Aged 71 Head (widow) Retired Waistcoat maker born Essex, Hornden
Elizabeth Mot aged 61 Sister (unmarried) occ: ditto born Essex, Hornden
RG11 / 673 / 139 / 67
and in 1841
Horndon on the Hill, Essex
All born in county
John Mott age 77 tailor
Alice Mott 26
Harriott Mott 22
Thomas Mott 23 journeyman
Elizabeth Mott 21
and
Sarah Bird 31
Alfred 10
Walter 2
Edgar 6m
Could William be the brother/son of this family?
Milly
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Hi following Sarah Bird in 1851 she is a Pond, Widow occ Nurse b Horndon at St Georges Hospital HO107/1478/650/13, Elizabeth and an Alice M Mott plus an Alfred J Bird are visitors to a Edmund and Maria Atchison HO107/1566/391/20 in 1861 Elizabeth and Sarah on RG09/360/70/3 and 1871 RG10/727/32/12
Keyboard86
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1861 - again in Stratford
Emmeline Mott 43 - widow, teacher
Margaret Benny 59 - visitor
Cara Marshall 23 - teacher
Emmaeline S Mott 12 daughter b Islington
Ann Bennerwith 22 - servant
RG 9 / 1055 / 25 / 45
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1881 census 25 Romford Road
Emmeline 65 Governess school Lambeth
1891 25 Romford Road
Emmeline 75 widow school teacher Lambeth
Emmeline Warner 42 wid
Herbert Warner 9 grandson Stoke Newington
1872 West Ham marriage for an Emmeline Mott
St.Mary Stoke Newington
Herbert Warner born 14/1/1882 bapt. 12/2/1882
Parents Emmeline Sarah & Arthur Richard Warner Grocer address SN.
Jennifer
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1841 census Newhouse Farm Stanford Rivers Essex
John Mott 60 Farmer
Ann 55
William 30
Caroline Bird 18 FS all born in the County
Jennifer