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Looking to piece together some loose ends on a Sculthorpe family
I would appreciate any details on a couple of marriages that took place in St Margarets, Leicester in 1832 and 1834
14 Jun 1832 for a Joseph Sculthorpe and Harriet Cooper
23 Oct 1834 for a William Sculthorpe and Maria Flowers
I believe these are both sons of Thomas Sculthorpe
Were there any children for Joseph and Harriet?? None listed on 1841 census and Harriet died in 1846 - can't find Joseph in 1851
I believe that William and Maria had a Lavinia and a William - Maria is widowed by 1851 and the 2 children are with her on the 1851 census - which ties in with my William dying in 1849 - I have not found this couple in 1841 however
Also interested to find the christening record for a Mary Ann Sculthorpe in Leicester born about 1814, her parents are Thomas Sculthorpe and Hannah Rowlett - married in 1804 in Northants
I have found baptisms for Mary's siblings (Susannah 1804, Ann 1806 who died 1807, Joseph 1808, William 1811 and Rowlett 1817)
Any help would be much appreciated
Thanks, SC
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Seasonal Greeting’s……. SC.
MARRIAGES :~
St: Margaret’s Parish Church Leicester.
1832. 14th. June.
Joseph Sculthorpe. Bachelor of this Parish Aged 23
Harriet Cooper. Spinster of this Parish aged. 22.
No Children baptisms Found for the above couple.
1834. 23rd. October.
William Sculthorpe. Bachelor of this Parish Aged 23.
Maria Flowers Spinster. Of the Parish of St: Mary’s Leicester Aged. 23.
BOTH By LICENCE .
Therefore further information held within the Bonds
Which I can view on your behalf next time I’m in the Records Office
All below Parents Thomas & Hannah Sculthorpe.
1804. Susannah. 18th. November.
1806. Ann. 20th. July.
1808. Joseph. 30th. March.
1811. William. 21st. October.
1814. ANNE. 4TH. SEPTEMBER. Register Entry No. 677.
1817. Rowlet. 30th. March. Register Entry No’. 2002.
MIKE. ……
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Thank you so much Mike for the information - seems as though the parents forgot to put the word Mary in front of Ann as that date works with everything else about Mary Ann
Yes I would appreciate any further details on the William/Maria marriage if you can find them
Thanks so much and a Happy New Year to you
SC
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Just for interest, I would suspect that this was a child of Joseph and Harriet -- matches with Joseph's father's name Thomas:
Joseph Thomas Sculthorpe
birth Jun Q 1838 Leicester
possible death Sep Q 1838 Leicester (same name)
Other possible children of one or the other couple who would not show up on censuses if they died in infancy:
Ann Sculthorpe, birth Sep Q 1840, possible death same Q
George Beal Sculthorpe, birth Dec Q 1842, possible death Mar Q 1843 (transcribed in the typewritten index as George Paul Sculthorpe)
(just compared births and deaths at http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl wondering in particular whether Harriet might have died in childbirth, but that does not seem to have been the case)
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Also for info -- in 1841, William and Maria are transcribed as "Schwabe" at Anc'y although the image is clearly "Sculthorpe" when you know what you are looking at. Daughter is transcribed as Louise. Only the two children.
HO 107 / Piece 604 / Folio 7 / page 19 -- St Margaret With Bishops Fee, Leicestershire.
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Better details for Sculthorpe Burials :~
St: Georges Parish Church Leicester.;~
1838.
Register Entry No’. 137. 5th. July.
Thomas Sculthorpe.
AN INF.
1840.
Entry No’. 1946.15th. September.
Ann Sculthorpe.
AN INF.
1843.
Entry No’. 75. ….15th. February
George Beal Sculthorpe.
AN INF.
Abv ……..INF >>>>> Died before 1st Birthday.
St: Margaret’s Parish Church.
1846.
Entry No’. 2987 2nd. November.
Harriet Sculthorpe.
Aged. 36.
So could be Harriet died young or in Childbirth.
MIKE. ……
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Joseph Sculthorpe 1808 really does seem to have disappeared.
No census after 1841, no remarriage, no death, in the UK / England/Wales. Emigrated??
Dabbling at familysearch.org (btw, the christenings of the children of Thomas and Hannah are there), I ran across this possibly interesting Joseph Scullthorpe:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V2J1-8F9
... in Philadelphia, husband of Abigal, father of Catharine Matilda born in 1862.
Then, searching for Scul*thorpe in Philadelphia, this Annie Martha Sculthorpe:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/WDPM-73Z
... born in Philadelphia c1856 and living in Leicester in 1891 -- who is, it turns out, the wife (Annie Marston Sculthorpe at Anc'y, more accurately, as also in later censuses) of Wiliam Sculthorpe aged 50, born Leicester -- William born 1839, the son of William Sculthorpe and Maria Flowers (Maria is in the 1891 household in Leicester).
In 1881, William Jr is a married bank manager in Leicester St Margaret but his wife is not present.
They are together in all censuses after that.
William Jr seems to be absent from the 1861 and 1871 English censuses.
The 1870 US census shows, in Philadelphia:
Abigail Sculthorpe, born c1826 England
Joseph Sculthorpe, born c1812 England
There are three younger Sculthorpes in Philadelphia
(I don't subscribe for census details at a commercial site, in order to see household compositions):
John T, c1852
Ida, c1857
Henry, c1864
Death of John T Sculthorpe, aged 18, son of Joseph and Abigail Scullthorpe, 23 Nov 1870, Philadelphia (cause of death phthisis = tuberculosis):
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JXX8-M6N
FS also shows the death of Ella Scullthorp, parents Joseph Sculthorpe and Agibail, 1862, aged 1:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VKDM-2FG
and the birth of Joseph Sculthorp, parents Joseph Sculthorp and Abigal, 1862:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V2FD-G8H
Sometimes I hate trying to find things at familysearch that you know are there ... finally, the 1870 census for Jos Sculthorpe in Philadelphia, born c1812 England:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MZ5Y-32Z
showing the three children mentioned above, with image viewable -- occupation stocking weaver.
I think that looks very much like your disappearing Joseph Sculthorpe of Leicester.
Joseph was a hosier in 1841 in England.
Do you know about William Jr's sojourn in the US?
Just to note for info, William Sr was an attorney in 1841 and William Jr was a bank inspector in 1891, with mother and sister-in-law living on own means, and servants.
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Mike - thank you so much for the burial details on all those poor children and Harriet
Janeycanuck - you have been very busy as this sure does look like the disappearing Joseph
this is an amazing find on him - loses a few children and then his wife and decides to take off to the US and get married again and does manage to have some children
I will look at the 1870 US census on FS
maybe he died in the US as I don't see a suitable death entry in the UK but could have overlooked it - family members came back to Leicester
I will now try and piece all this together in my mind
Where was Joseph in 1841 as you mention he was a hosier?? I had not found him
thanks for finding William in 1841 - checked lots of spelling variation but not that one!!!
he was signed up as an apprentice clerk to a solicitor in 1840
William died young in 1849 age 38 - I have his burial details from Mike as I was trying to place him when working on Thomas and Hannah some time back - I do have all the chr dates for their children from Mike so don't need those - thanks
Thank you both so much
SC
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" Your very Welcome SC." .....
"Happy Newyear to you " .....
MIKE. ......
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Oops, I thought when you said for children of Joseph and Harriet "None listed on 1841 census" it meant you had them in that year. Maybe you did but didn't look at the image -- that's where it gives his occupation. He's in St Margaret With Bishops Fee, Leicestershire, with Harriet, in 1841 -- aged 33 (1808), name spelled correctly at Anc'y.
I'm glad the bits and pieces I posted matched up with what Mike was digging up, too.
It was the complete absence of a death for Joseph in England (searching the index by every surname starting with Scul, even) that made me look abroad; tried NSW Australia on a whim first because it's easy, then just searched for the name at FS. Fortunately it was not the world's most common name! although it did get spelled a few ways in the US.
A bit more -- the US 1880 census is free at Anc'y and shows Ida Sculthorpe, a worker in a woolen mill, parents born in England, in Philadelphia. Here she is:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MWJG-LH9
I wonder whether this is her in 1900 -- the only Ida in Philadelphia born 1857-59 with parents born in England:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M377-LPB
... except that one was supposedly married in 1874 and had a 26-yr-old son by 1900 ...
Brother John T had died, and that leaves Henry ... but I'm not seeing any other mention of him at FS. Aha, no, he is Harry in 1920, born c1865 in Pennsylvania, with wife Clare and parents born in England:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M6YG-3HV
but he's 55 at that point so any kids would have flown. ... Here's 1910, with a niece:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MG7W-45X
Abigal Sculthorpe died in 1876 in Philadelphia (also of TB) and was recorded as widowed (and born in Germany):
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J69D-HR7
And I think Joseph's death in 1871 may have been misrecorded as James Sculthorp:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JKQ1-GZJ
-- occupation Trimmer, born England, died of phthisis, resident in Germantown which I saw on one of the records I linked to earlier, buried in Franklin cemetery as was Abigal (images are viewable if you register at FS and sign in).
(Tuberculosis did "run in" families, as it was infectious -- in my gr-grfather's family, his brother, first wife, eldest daughter and niece, that I have investigated so far, and I suspect others, died of phthisis -- and when I learned that, it proved to be the only true thing he ever said about his family in England, once he came to Canada: that they were "wiped out by a plague".)
They were fun to track down on a cold and lazy new year's eve day here, and you're welcome! Nearly 3 hours to go til midnight here in central Canada now, so it's nearly time to order up some pizza. Happy new year!
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Hi Janeycanuck
Happy New Year to you
Thanks so much for following all this up - its all very interesting
I did quite a bit of checking on FS last night and found some of what you had referenced as it helps to get a handle on it all
When I next go to our library I may be able to access some of the original images which would be good and there could well be other records I can get at which would also be helpful now that the background is established - can't do a lot in an hour at a time and like you I'm afraid I don't go in for paid sites any more now that the bulk of my research is done as its too costly
Many many thanks for all this, it is very much appreciated
I will now attempt to put it all together
SC
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For those images -- at familysearch, all you have to do is register (for free, and if you're like me you don't exactly give all your real personal details when you sign up for things on line!) and sign in, and then you can access many original images, including some US censuses, and all the death records I referred to here.
(I do generally keep a minimum UK paid sub somewhere, but not for records outside the UK -- all my own grandparents were born in England and immigrated to Canada, and if you check my sig line you will see they keep me busy enough. ;) )
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Greeting’s Again …….SC.
Parish Marriage Registers read thus :~
St: Margaret’s Parish Church. Leicester.
1832.
Marriage Register Entry No’. 722.
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Joseph Sculthorpe Bachelor of this Parish.
Harriet Cooper Spinster of this Parish.
Married in this Church by Licence.
This Fourteenth day of June
One Thousand Eight Hundred and Thirty Two.
by Me :~ T Bannaman Curate
In the Presents of :~
Richard Stringer , John Stringer ( Church wardens )
Both signed by own signatures
Extra Information via Bonds :~
Approved & Granted 14th June 1832.
SCULTHORPE Joseph. Of St: Margaret’s Parish.
Bachelor. Aged. 24.
COOPER Harriet. Of St: Margaret’s Parish
Spinster Aged. 22.
Marriage to take place at St: Margaret’s Church.
NO securer of the Bonds given.
1834.
Entry No'. 356.
William Sculthorpe Bachelor of this Parish.
Maria Flowers Spinster of this Parish.
Married in this Church by Licence.
This Twenty Third day of October
One Thousand Eight Hundred and Thirty Four.
by Me :~ T Bannaman Curate
Both signed by own signatures
In the Presents of :~
T. Flowers
J. Sculthorpe.
Extra Information via Bonds :~
Approved & Granted 21st October 1834.
SCULTHORPE William. Of St: Margaret’s Parish.
Bachelor. Aged. 23..
FLOWERS Maria. Of St: Margaret’s Parish
Spinster Aged. 23.
Marriage to take place at St: Margaret’s Church.
NO securer of the Bonds given.
MIKE. ……..
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Thanks so much Mike for looking up the extra details on those marriages
Have now found a chr for Maria Flowers with father Thomas in 1811 so a big help
Many thanks, SC
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Hi.
I came across this record
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V261-57J (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V261-57J)
of the marriage of William Sculthorpe Jr to Annie Marston Boulter in Philadelphia, PA on 14 May 1884.
William was the brother of my great-great-grandmother, Lavinia Sculthorpe, who married Charles Joseph Willey in Leicester in 1857.
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That was certainly a good find -- William Sculshoupe + Aunie Morstan Beulter!
It's been a long time so I have kind of forgotten the thread ... so that's William the son of Maria Flowers and William Sculthorpe, William Sr him being the brother of Joseph / son of Thomas. Maria, annuitant, and children Lavinia and William are in the 1851 census in Leicester St Margaret.
So you guys are cousins? :)