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Title: retry for florence flatley - COMPLETED
Post by: springtime 60 on Saturday 29 December 12 20:00 GMT (UK)
i know of florence birth oct 1895 in staffordhire but have no clue where she went ,no marriage or death can anyone find her
ann
Title: Re: retry for florence flatley
Post by: KGarrad on Saturday 29 December 12 20:14 GMT (UK)
There is a christening record for her:

22nd November 1895
at Willenhall, Staffordshire

Parents: William & Ellen Flatley


I think she must have died?
1901 census: Reference RG13, Piece 2765, Folio 41, Page 15
6 Chadwick Square, Kdderminster, Worcestershire

Flatley, William  Head  M  39  Boatman on Canal  b Kidderminster
Flatley, Ellen  Wife  F  39  b Kidderminster
Flatley, Samuel  Son  M  16  Foundry Worker  b Kidderminster
Flatley, William  Son  M  11  b Moxley, Shropshire
Flatley, Nellie  Daughter  F  9  b Moxley, Shropshire
Flatley, Elsie  Daughter  F  1  b Moxley, Shropshire
Title: Re: retry for florence flatley
Post by: heywood on Saturday 29 December 12 20:15 GMT (UK)
i know of florence birth oct 1895 in staffordhire but have no clue where she went ,no marriage or death can anyone find her
ann

Hello,

What do you know of her?
Is she in 1901, 1911 census?
Who are her parents?
Do you have them in censuses and afterwards?

regards
heywood
Title: Re: retry for florence flatley
Post by: springtime 60 on Saturday 29 December 12 20:29 GMT (UK)
i just know she was born and not seen her mentioned on any census at all,ive not seen any record of a death for her it seems strange never seen her with her familyher father was a boatmen.
isit possible that a death wasnt registered
Title: Re: retry for florence flatley
Post by: Pels. on Saturday 29 December 12 20:56 GMT (UK)





As Ann has stated this is a retry, so to save anyone else searching and repeating information already given :

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,431015.0.html

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,605579.0.html

Kind regards,

Pels
Title: Re: retry for florence flatley
Post by: KGarrad on Saturday 29 December 12 21:01 GMT (UK)
So, I have been wasting my time giving you information you have been given twice before! >:(

Why didn't you mention this earlier?!?!
Title: Re: retry for florence flatley
Post by: Pels. on Saturday 29 December 12 21:24 GMT (UK)
So, I have been wasting my time giving you information you have been given twice before! >:(

Why didn't you mention this earlier?!?!

Re: retry for florence flatley

Well, I saw it - in Ann's defence it does say in the title.

Pels.
Title: Re: retry for florence flatley
Post by: heywood on Saturday 29 December 12 21:35 GMT (UK)
Sorry- not read through previous posts properly  ::)

Is it the same family though?
Why would she be baptised in Willenhall - there is no connection with Willenhall/Wolverhampton with parents or other children.
Although I think Nellie (Ellen?) was registered in Wolverhampton.
Title: Re: retry for florence flatley
Post by: Pels. on Saturday 29 December 12 22:28 GMT (UK)



As a last resort I've searched the newspapers in case something happened - nothing at all that I can find ?

How infuriating it is when people completely disappear, I feel sorry for you, Ann.

Pels.
Title: Re: retry for florence flatley
Post by: KGarrad on Saturday 29 December 12 22:44 GMT (UK)
Is it the same family though?
Why would she be baptised in Willenhall - there is no connection with Willenhall/Wolverhampton with parents or other children.
Although I think Nellie (Ellen?) was registered in Wolverhampton.

All the places have connections to canals! ;D
Title: Re: retry for florence flatley
Post by: heywood on Saturday 29 December 12 23:16 GMT (UK)
Is it the same family though?
Why would she be baptised in Willenhall - there is no connection with Willenhall/Wolverhampton with parents or other children.
Although I think Nellie (Ellen?) was registered in Wolverhampton.

All the places have connections to canals! ;D

Yes I figured that out myself  ::) ;) However, as they were living in a house, I thought it quite plausible that he went off to work as a boatman whilst family remained static.
Title: Re: retry for florence flatley
Post by: KGarrad on Saturday 29 December 12 23:30 GMT (UK)
Yes I figured that out myself  ::) ;) However, as they were living in a house, I thought it quite plausible that he went off to work as a boatman whilst family remained static.

Maybe the canal work was seasonal - or at least, the family might have travelled witrh father during the summers?

It just seems to be a little coincidental that Willenhall is on the canal network?
Title: Re: retry for florence flatley
Post by: heywood on Saturday 29 December 12 23:36 GMT (UK)
I am sure you are right and presumably Ann feels that it is the same family.
Perhaps the original parish record has more information.

Family Search has Florence born 22 October on index page although nothing to indicate that on the record. :-\
Title: Re: retry for florence flatley
Post by: springtime 60 on Sunday 30 December 12 10:13 GMT (UK)
thank you to pels for supporting my post,and other replies. i did put a RETRY on top of post,you never know when doing research its easy to miss things when trying to hard,always  another pair of eyes is good and sometimes new info comes to light.    i know  the children where baptised at different churches along the canal route,i can only presume the family went on the boat at times and lived in house at others i have no doubt its same family.
i didnt see the mention of a marriage on theother posts its a possibility it could be florence to h marshell
Title: Re: retry for florence flatley
Post by: Pels. on Sunday 30 December 12 10:47 GMT (UK)

Also if you look at the marriage on Staffsbmd (Newcastle, Methodist Church ( Ebenezer)) it gives an *Alternative* surname of Ellerton for Florence.



Not her then as she was the wife of James Flattley, obviously a second marriage.



I haven't looked at Staffs BMD but I think that person had originally been a Florence Ellerton, she married a James Flattley - she then married again to H Marshall. So Flattley wasn't Florence's maiden name, it was Ellerton.

Hoping I've made sense out of that !  :)

Pels.
Title: Re: retry for florence flatley
Post by: Pels. on Sunday 30 December 12 11:11 GMT (UK)



Click on this, Ann :

Ellerton/Flatley alternate marriage name. (http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/cgi/printaka.cgi?date=1918&county=staffordshire&reference=NL%3aA34%2f1%2f31&file=M&pos=6980&area=NL&prefix=NL:&lang=)

It should explain what I mean.

Pels.
Title: Re: retry for florence flatley
Post by: springtime 60 on Sunday 30 December 12 15:29 GMT (UK)
thankyou,think we can say this isnt my florence now
Title: Re: retry for florence flatley completed thanks
Post by: springtime 60 on Sunday 30 December 12 21:11 GMT (UK)
i know of florence birth oct 1895 in staffordhire but have no clue where she went ,no marriage or death can anyone find her
ann
Title: Re: retry for florence flatley completed thanks
Post by: springtime 60 on Sunday 30 December 12 21:12 GMT (UK)
 ;)thankyou for all replies ann
now closed
Title: Re: retry for florence flatley completed thanks
Post by: springtime 60 on Sunday 30 December 12 21:16 GMT (UK)
i know of florence birth oct 1895 in staffordhire but have no clue where she went ,no marriage or death can anyone find her
ann
Title: Re: retry for florence flatley completed
Post by: springtime 60 on Sunday 30 December 12 21:27 GMT (UK)
i know of florence birth oct 1895 in staffordhire but have no clue where she went ,no marriage or death can anyone find her
ann
Title: Re: retry for florence flatley
Post by: ciderdrinker on Monday 31 December 12 10:19 GMT (UK)
Hi there
Have you seen the burial at Merridale cemetary for a Florrie Flatley age 6 months 19.4.1896 from Wolverhampton All Saints d of James lab Workhouse Union.?
Ciderdrinker
Title: Re: retry for florence flatley
Post by: PaulineJ on Monday 31 December 12 10:28 GMT (UK)
Hi there
Have you seen the burial at Merridale cemetary for a Florrie Flatley age 6 months 19.4.1896 from Wolverhampton All Saints d of James lab Workhouse Union.?
Ciderdrinker

That information was given in previous reply on other posts Jan 2010.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,431015.msg2965090.html#msg2965090

Title: Re: retry for florence flatley
Post by: Pels. on Monday 31 December 12 11:05 GMT (UK)


hello cinderdrinker,florrie has wrong father as you pointed out.
im interested in the john flatley boatmen,if you have further info about his death
thankyou
             ann

Just to bring this reply forward from your previous thread - to enable 'ciderdrinker' to read it.

 :) :)

Pels.
Title: Re: retry for florence flatley
Post by: Your Tree Searcher on Monday 31 December 12 13:15 GMT (UK)
You cannot always rely on parish registers being correct.

I have a baptism of a child where the mother is recorded incorrectly in the parish register. I applied for a birth certificate . The mothers name is completely different. The certificate is correct.

This entry may be correct  for Florence. Father recorded incorrectly. Or perhaps known by a second name.

Your Tree Searcher
Title: Re: retry for florence flatley
Post by: springtime 60 on Saturday 05 January 13 12:21 GMT (UK)
thank you
 to all of you for answering my post
Title: Re: retry for florence flatley
Post by: springtime 60 on Saturday 05 January 13 12:24 GMT (UK)
thankyou to all of you for researching for me,think its now come to an end,very littke about her really
ann