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I am looking for information about the parents and grandparents of Charles Roberts, born Leeds 1861, died Leeds 1905, and who was a founding member of the Independent Labour Party.
What (I think) I know so far:
Father: John Roberts born 1819 London, bootmaker
Mother: Mary Whitaker born 1822 Leeds (I have details of her parents)
Married 30/9/1841 Kirkstall
Deaths: Unknown
Grandfather: Edward Roberts (as named on certificate of above marriage)
The main problem getting any further is that the names are very common and I cant be sure what information is correct.
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The 1871 has only one entry for a Charles Roberts b Leeds in the timescale
born 1861 - parents Joseph & Ann
If his assumed parents married in 1841 - Charles was born 20 yrs after they married.
Who did Charles marry and what is the name of the father on his marriage cert
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Hi this looks to be the family in 1871:-
John Roberts 52 Widower occ Boot & Shoemaker b Middlesex, London
Edward 26
Frances A 19
Alfred 15
William H 13
Charles 12
Ernest 9
Walter 11 months Grandson
All children born Leeds
Residing at Florist Street, Leeds
Census Ref RG10/4563/127/41
Likely death of Mary, Mary Roberts March qtr 1871 Leeds 9b 326 aged 50
Will come back to 1861, as hard to detect?
1851 Census
John Roberts 32 occ Cordwainer b Chelsea, Middx
Mary 30 b Leeds
Susannah 3 b Leeds
Residing at 11, Harlands Court, Leeds
Census Ref HO107/2321/1073/23
Edward Roberts aged 6 is with his Grandparents William & Susan Whitaker at 1, Little Moor Street, Leeds Census Ref HO107/2321/1074/24
Susannah Roberts marries a Watson Hallewell March qtr 1871 Leeds 9b 337
Keyboard86
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Will come back to 1861, as hard to detect?
Some of the books for Leeds in 1861 are missing :
3388 West Yorkshire Leeds West Leeds (3) Leeds NW Ward M
At the moment it looks as though the family could have been in the ones affected - I can't find them either, keyboard ?
Kind regards,
Pels.
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Hi Pels, thanks for that, 1881 is also a no no for family, any chance?!
Keyboard
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I am looking for information about the parents and grandparents of Charles Roberts, born Leeds 1861, died Leeds 1905
This is the nearest death, does it look right :
Death, Dec qtr 1904
Charles Roberts, age 42
Leeds, Vol 9b, Page 325
Hi Pels, thanks for that, 1881 is also a no no for family, any chance?!
Keyboard
Nothing, neither can I find him in 1901 - have you had any luck ?
Pels.
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Hi again, in the case of Charles, if the correct one he ups his yob to 1861 if I recall?
Keyboard
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Charles (20yrs) married Annie Elizabeth Townsend (19 yrs) at Leeds Parish Church on 8/5/1881.
Both residing Armley.
Charles: Occ: stuff finisher. Father's name - John Roberts, bootmaker
Annie: No occupation Father's name - John William Townsend, millwright
Witnesses: Alfred Roberts (brother) Ada Blackburn (Alfred's future wife)
Alfred & Ada were married at St Mary the Virgin, Hunslet on 23/6/1883
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I would imagine you'll have this, but because it's turned up :
Hi Pels, thanks for that, 1881 is also a no no for family, any chance?!
Keyboard
In 1891 his occupation is Dyer's Labourer, hopefully this should be him, keyboard :
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQFN-ZC5
Pels.
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I wonder if this could be John's baptism :
Hammersmith St Paul
Baptism Date: 11th August 1819
John, son of Edward and Elizabeth Mary Roberts.
Abode : Hammersmith, Middlesex
Father's occupation : Builder
Pels.
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I've looked at St Mark's Woodhouse burials on the Leeds Burials CD and found William Whitaker buried 24/1/1866 aged 69 yrs and his wife Susan buried 16/12/1864 aged 68 yrs, both living at Raglan Road, Woodhouse. I also found Mary Roberts buried 24/1/1871 aged 50 years of Burley Road.
On the Yorkshire Indexes website I found at Leeds General Cemetery (Woodhouse) the following:
Grave 884, un-named male born Woodhouse, died 21/9/1849 of a bowel complaint aged 3 weeks buried 23/9/1849, father John Roberts, shoemaker, mother Mary Roberts living at Broughton Court, informant Susannah Tutill.
Can not find on either Charles dying in Oct-Dec 1904