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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Limerick => Topic started by: Happy Chappy :-) on Sunday 23 December 12 13:49 GMT (UK)
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Hi Looking for family information on the O'Brien's (William+James) that lived
in Ballybeg Glin County Limerick early 1900's
Thanks
HC
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Hello
My name is Sean Wallace and I am from Glin Co. Limerick. I am also a genealogist (website ROOTSLINKED.com.)
Your query is most interesting as I was only yesterday asked about the whereabouts of Ballybeg . I had never heard of a place called Ballybeg in Glin despite growing up there.I thought it might be a local name for a townland called something else nowadays. We have a couple already like "Scart " which is Glenagragra or Clogough which is Ballyguiltenane Lower.
Ballybeg is now called Kilfergus townland since about 1840 and in Census 1901 and 1911 it is in the D E D of Glin.
Glin is the R.C parish and Kilfergus Parish is the equivalent Civil Parish on which all official records are based.
Kilfergus townland once called Ballybeg however is actually in the Civil Parish of Loughill or Loghill (Old spelling )
James O' Brien an unarmed constable in the DMP police force was on duty in Dublin Castlein April 29 1916 and was shot dead by a rebel called O'Casey.
James parents were Cornelius O'Brien and Mary Ahearn. His grandfather was James O'Brien. In 1911 his brother William is in the home place married but no mention of children. I will enquire further in to this to see who did the farm pass on to. email me anytime
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Sean Wallace. Amendment to previous entry. The rebel's name was Sean Connolly not Casey
It would appear that James O'Brien was unmarried here is the inscription from his tombstone
Graveyard: Kilfergus Cemetery
Exact wording of epitaph:
Sacred
To The Memory Of
Constable
JAMES O'BRIEN
Who Died On 24TH April 1916 From Wounds
Received Whilst Gallantly Doing
His Duty As A Member Of
The Dublin Metropolitian Police
Erected By His Sorrowing
Brothers And Sisters
And By The Subscriblers Of The Irish Police
And Constabulary Reconition Fund.
People commemorated
First person
Title:
Constable
Name: James
Surname: O'Brien
Date of death - day: 24
Date of death - month: April
Date of death - year: 1916
Age: 48 years
Address: Kilfergus, Glin
Number of people commemorated: 1
Notes:
Information Passed on :-
Killed During Easter Raising
By Sean Connolly
Whilst "Unarmed"
Memorial Type: Celtic Cross
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HappyChappy did you find out more in 2012 when you previously looked for information? Previous request (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=627142.0)
NLI piece on Constable James O'Brien #168B DMP 9862 (http://www.nli.ie/1916/pdf/7.3.pdf)
1901 census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Royal_Exchange/Lower_Castle_Yard/1340208/)
1911 Census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Royal_Exchange/Castle_Yard_Lower/74578/)
William, his wife, parents and sister on the 1901 census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Glin/Kilfergus/1505283/) as referred to
William and his wife on the 1911 census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Limerick/Glin/Kilfergus/633999/); they were married 15 years and had no children
There is a church marriage record for them
William O’BRIEN Ballybeg, Glin
to Ellen STACKPOOLE, Tullileague, Glin
on July 29 1897
in Glin RC Church registered in Tarbert No. 2 Civil District
Witnesses were John CULHANE and Jane STACKPOOLE
Cornelius O'BRIEN m Mary AHERN in Glin RC on Feb 17 1855
They had at least 9 children who were all baptised in Glin RC as BRIEN:
1 Johanna bap. 02 Oct 1856 who must have died an infant as there is a second Johanna
2 Patrick bap 29 Dec 1858
3 Mary bap 15 Jun 1859
4 Johanna bap 15 Dec 1860
5 James bap 11 Apr 1862 who must have died an infant as there is a second James
6 Bridget bap 23 Jan 1864
7 William bap 14 Aug 1865
8 James bap 13 Feb 1868 (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FP4L-45R)
9 Cornelius bap 04 Jan 1871
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Startover
This Happy Chappy's topic is 2½ years old (the other is 3 years old)
and as he requested a Private Message (PM) on current relatives
he may already have received his answer
but neglected to update the public topic for users of the site to be aware
However, he may well still require information on this family we will have to await a reply!
I note he has not been online since last year though
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next year we are celebrating the 1916 rebellion and already preparing for it. I knew that someone from Glin was shot at Dublin Castle but didn't know for sure that it was James O'Brien who was shot. There was another casualty from Glin in WW1 from named Willy Sheahan and I got these mixed up.
The Civil War that followed the War of Independence left bad memories so the whole thing was rarely discussed so I never heard the detail about O'Brien. I'm curious to know now where the rest of the family went and I probably knew some of them growing up.
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Startover
It is amazing how some people are forgotten and become lost over time
You may be interested in this article on Constable Patrick Sheehan (http://www.limerickcity.ie/media/Media,4161,en.pdf)
He died attempting to save the life of a man trapped down a manhole in 1905
He was from Glin also.
He had been the last DMP to die in service previous to James O'Brien
Patrick had a brother John who was also in the DMP; John's grandson John was one of the Dubliners
Their parents were Edmond SHEAHAN and Mary MULVIHILL
Other siblings at least were Cath 1872, Maria 1877 and Helen 1881
Johanna is also referred to in his obituary; Margaret and Bridget are referred to on the 1901 census
Family on 1901 census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Kilfergus/Glenagragara/1505369/) and on 1911 census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Limerick/Kilfergus/Ballygiltenan_Upper/634005/)
I do not know if the William you refer to is their relative
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Willy Sheahan was from another family . Both of Willy's parents were Sheahans unrelated apart from marriage and to complicate things his uncle Sheahan married Willy's aunt Sheahan , a double match was made, 2 brother Sheahans married 2 sister Sheahans. Morty Sheahan brother of Willy lived next to Ballyguiltenane School where I went to school.
I knew all about Patrick Sheahan as he was a distant relative , his great grandmother was Wallace but I have never been able to prove it. Both Paddy and Jack Sheahan used to call to our house whenever they were on holidays from Dublin as they were aware that they were cousins
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Very interesting - happy searching and I neglected to mention "Welcome to the site"
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Hi My Luck !
I am back on Line - had to create a new account, the email associated with the old account
is obsolete - I have heard nothing from any of the relation of DMP O Brien - ?If there are out there
please PM ....
Kind Regards
Happy Chappy :) :) :) :) :) :)
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Welcome Back Happy Chappy
don't forget to post two more times or the Private Messaging system won't work for you ;)
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Thanks MyLuck :)
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I wonder if you could help me with tracing the family of my great grandfather Patrick O`brien b 1855 ,possibly Kilfinane ,Limerick but not certain .He was married to Helen ( Ellen) Maloney . The only information I have is he was in the 64th Limerick Regiment 1871c. His regiment was amalgamated to an English regiment, then this regiment was sent all over Britain as acting policemen . He married my great grandmother Bridget Gilhooley in 1875 in Dunbar,East Lothian Scotland while still in the army. I presume he was sent to this area . I live in Dunbar . No parents were on the marriage cert. I realise this is an old post,but have just come across it . Appreciate anything you could come up with.
Many thanks
E P
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When and where was he married to Helen Maloney.
Born 1855 married Bridget Gilhooley in 1875 when he was 20.
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I don`t know the date of their marriage. I think it would be in Limerick. Patrick`s parents are not on death cert,but on marriage cert. They are listed as deceased. My grandfather always said his father Patrick b 1855 was born in Limerick. Bridget`s parents are Michael Gilhooly and Ann McGlynn both born in Ireland ,died in Dunbar, children all born Dunbar . I just don`t have much information on Irish Records. Any census just states Ireland !
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Sorry I'm completely confused.
Is there more than one Patrick?
Which one has parent's on the marriage cert and which one has no parent's on marriage cert.
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Patrick O`brien b 1855 ,possibly Kilfinane was married to Helen ( Ellen) Maloney .
He married Bridget Gilhooley in 1875 in Dunbar, East Lothian Scotland
So which one did he marry first?
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Sorry I didn`t make it clearer,
Patrick O`Brien b 1830c ? Ireland (Limerick ?)
m Helen Maloney b 1830 c ? Ireland (Limerick?)
Don`t know their marriage date or place (Limerick?)
They are listed on their son`s marriage cert.dated 1875 as deceased.
Their son Patrick O`Brien b 1855c Ireland (Limerick?)
married in 1875 to Bridget Gilhooly b 1856 in Dunbar ,East Lothian ,Scotland
Hope this helps
EP
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If they were RC have you looked through Kilfinane parish records
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0858
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Wow ,thank you so much . It will take a while,but I will have a jolly good hunt through the certs. I will get back to you.
EP
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Sorry for delay in replying ,our first great grandaughter has just arrived , so excited about her .
I have really had a good look ,gone through it several times ,but I just can`t see any mention of Patrick`s birth ,or his parents marriage . The only certainty was Limerick ,as Patrick b 1856c was in the 64th Limerick Regiment .Appreciate you taking the trouble to find the site .I know Irish records are notoriously hard to find .
Will keep hoping someone sees the post ,and realises it is their family . It is so frustrating not to get further back,but brick walls are always around the corner
Thanks again
EP.
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Did you check surrounding parishes?
I would think 64th Limerick Regiment would have a fairly large catchment area.
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Just realised all the areas are there ,I thought you had just sent me Kilfinane !!
Will get cracking on the other ones
Thanks
EP
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Have you checked Glin? https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0884
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Not yet ,just up ! I will check it out first.
Many thanks
EP
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https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
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Hi Looking for family information on the O'Brien's (William+James) that lived
in Ballybeg Glin County Limerick early 1900's
Thanks
HC
Have you searched Census?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
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Hallmark ,
I have searched census records. Unfortunately the ones that are relevant for Patrick Obrien born 1856, namely 1861 and 1871 are not available .I think they were destroyed in Dublin . Patrick was in Britain by 1874.
Wading through records OF BMD`s ,so far haven`t found anything yet . I still have a few counties to check
Thanks for help
EP.
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Patrick O`Brien b 1830c ? Ireland (Limerick ?)
m Helen Maloney b 1830 c ? Ireland (Limerick?)
Are they on Census or did they leave too?
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Re civil records . I have put in every combination and coming up zero. All counties ,all spelling , getting crosseyed !
Haven`t finished yet. Wondered if it would be worthwhile trying to put something in a Limerick paper to see if any family are still living there .I know it is a long shot , but sometimes I have had successes . Probably need about 20 posts !
Appreciate all trying to help .
EP
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They died before 1875,listed as deceased on their son`s (Patrick 1856)marriage cert 1875. So presume they died in Limerick .
EP
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You don't know where in Co. Limerick they were so you need the 10 districts for the County
https://www.swilson.info/regdistmap.php and choose Limerick from 1st dropdown box to get them.
Then Search Civil Reg for Helen Maloney death BUT you'll need to enter one of the Districts and search, then try another District.
You can just put name in with no District... enter 1875 in second Year box as cut off Year
then knowing the Districts select a District from the list on left! You know approx when born so Year of Death minus Age at Death
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Death results for Helen OBrien from ? to 1875
Area - Limerick http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o28/
pretty useless as images aren't online yet!!
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You'll see the like of
Death of ELLEN O BRIEN in 1866
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Limerick
Deceased Age at Death 30
Returns Year 1866
Death of ELLEN OBRIEN in 1865
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Limerick
Deceased Age at Death 30
Returns Year 1865
but useless until they go online..... or you pay €4.00 for every "possible"!! :o
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I have just found those records this minute, looking at the two possibles you mentioned right now !!. Once I got the hang of it lots of lovely records . Trying now to see if any births match up with a few possible Patricks ,and names from his marriage to Bridget .Luckily the Irish are the same as Scottish records ,naming children after family members . This is a great site ,thanks for that
Brilliant
EP
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Obits from the Limerick Chronicle beginning with O, one O'Brien at the top but the rest start page 3
http://www.limerickcity.ie/Library/LocalStudies/ObituariesdeathnoticesetcfromtheLimerickChronicle/Alphabeticallistingsofobituariesdeathnoticesetc/alphabetical1%20O.pdf
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Thanks Hallmark . Been scrolling through records ,and can`t find a match at the moment .Now I know how to use it I can take my time and search other counties . Just can`t pinpoint an exact match when you don`t know the place where they were born . All the census certs just say `Ireland `in Scotland ,why did none of them know exactly where they were born ? Patrick b 1856 couldn`t write ,just made his mark on the children`s birth certs , only the last one ,my grandfather has his actual signature on it . I did find one record for a marriage between a Patrick O`brien and Helen Maloney but it was a few years after Patrick b 1856 was born ,in 1865 ,Limerick . I think it was common for couples sometimes to wait a few years when they could afford it ,but have children anyway . But 9 years after ?
Will plod on . It is very good of you and Sinann to take the trouble ,I know how time consuming it can be .
Thanks
EP
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Thanks Hallmark . Been scrolling through records ,and can`t find a match at the moment .Now I know how to use it I can take my time and search other counties .
It is a great site once one knows how to use it!
Knowing the Districts for any County is the key to using it thanks to the brilliant website https://www.swilson.info/regdistmap.php it is so much easier!
Hope you can find others you are looking for!
There is always here if you have queries!
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Absolutely, I have had many brick walls demolished with help from members !!
EP