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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Waterford => Topic started by: TiarnanG on Monday 17 December 12 18:34 GMT (UK)
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Hello, can anyone tell me the maiden name of Mary Collender, who died in Feb 1986 aged 108? Thank you.
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What was Marys husbands name. Was she born in Waterford if you know. :)
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Yes she was born in Aglish, west Waterford in 1877; sorry I don't know her husband's name only that she had a son John, there's no 34 yo Mary Collender in the '11 census, so I think she was older than that when she married... :-\
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Hello, can anyone tell me the maiden name of Mary Collender, who died in Feb 1986 aged 108? Thank you.
Should this read Marys MARRIED name as you say you dont know her husbands name - so I assume Collender was her maiden name.
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Haha no I meant I don't know her husband's FIRST name, the point is she was not Collender in 1911...
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There is a marriage registered in Dungarvan District Jan.Feb.March 1914 for a Robert Collender to a Mary Barron. Vol 4 Page 410
Another marriage also registered in Dungarvan Jan Feb Mar 1919 for a Thomas Collender to a Mary Barron. Vol 4 Page 316.
Strange to have both records Mary Barron 5 years apart. Think it would most likely be the 1914 as you said she had a son so by 1919 "time would be running out" I think. :D
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Well there are only 2 Mary Barrons of the correct age... and they're both married! The plot thickens ;D
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The following Collender Births 1st one Mothers maiden name Barron
Alice Collender December 1916. Reg Dist Lismore Co Waterford Vol 4 P.393
Death Reg for Alice Collender December 1942 age 25. Reg Dis Lismore.
Vol 4 Page 345
2. Birth John Collender. June 1915 Reg Dis Lismore. Vol 4 P 531
3 Birth Catherine Collender Sept 1920 Reg Dist Lismore Vol 4 p 472
4 Birth Mary R P Collender Dec 1921 Reg Dist Lismore Vol 4 P 415 ::)
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Theres only 1 Robert Collender showing in 1911. Farmer
House 2 Nicholastown Modelligo Waterford. Age 34 Single
Brother Hubert a. 27 single. Sister Mary 50 Single.
In all probability this is the Robert that married Mary Barron in 1914.
Whether they are your Collenders or not is the question :-\
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Thanks for your help, I have this old clipping but it doesn't really sort it out - the son John is hardly still alive...
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8068/8283972667_ff4884b805_b.jpg)
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Theres only 1 Robert Collender showing in 1911. Farmer
House 2 Nicholastown Modelligo Waterford. Age 34 Single
Brother Hubert a. 27 single. Sister Mary 50 Single.
In all probability this is the Robert that married Mary Barron in 1914.
Whether they are your Collenders or not is the question :-\
Sure you have noted the address Nicholastown where Mary resided in the photograph. I think its probably the family. Unless John inherited his mams genes he is probably not still around
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[quote ballydw - I think its probably the family.
Most likely although its a bit doubtful that Barron was her actual maiden name...
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Do you have evidence to the contrary that Barron wasnt her maiden name?
It seems to be the only marriage for Collender that ties in with the Birth of Alice Collender
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Do you have evidence to the contrary that Barron wasnt her maiden name?
It seems to be the only marriage for Collender that ties in with the Birth of Alice Collender
Also ties in with Collender family, Nicholastown in 1901 and 1911.
Death notice for a John Collender, Nicholastown in 2007-
http://www.rip.ie/death_notices_detail.asp?NoticeID=17268
If you search for 'collender & nicholastown' in a search engine like Google you will see contact details for other possible relatives.
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Do you have evidence to the contrary that Barron wasnt her maiden name?
Well only that there is no unmarried 30-something Mary Barron in the '11 census... so unless she married a bloke also called Barron it wasn't her maiden name, assuming she's recorded of course.
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Death notice for a John Collender, Nicholastown in 2007-
http://www.rip.ie/death_notices_detail.asp?NoticeID=17268
Thanks for that, 91 wasn't a bad innings all the same...
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Hi, Mary Collinder's maiden name was Barron. Her father was James Barron from Knockboy. Her Mother was Mary Brien. There are two birth record's for Mary (Barron) Collinder, one dated 31st July 1877 and another to the same parents for 6th. of March 1882. I believe the first Mary didn't survive and another female child born five years later was given the same name. That would have been a regular practice at that time. There appears to have been, in total 14 children between 1870 and 1891. Her Grand Mother was Kelly from Killenagh, Knockanore and when Mary's mother was born, in 1845, her Grand Mother's brother, Tom Kelly, and his wife were drowned crossing the Blackwater to the christening.
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woww that's a mine of information, thanks a lot. So you're saying the 'real' Mary Collender was only 104, not 108... This looks like her in the '01 census, with the right age and the right parents:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Waterford/Dromore/Dromore/1772551/
and here in '11, albeit 2 years young:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Waterford/Dromore/Dromore/664791/
... where it states there were actually 15 children of whom 12 survived. Of course that explains why there was no maiden 33yo Mary Barron in 1911... I reckon only a close relative would know that ancient story about her grand-uncle so you might also be able to tell us if it she got the Centenarian bounty in 1977 ;D
Moderator Comment: screenshots removed- please use links to view census pages
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My interest in Mary Collender stemd from research I done on my own family in the 1980's. My ancestors are the Kelly family from Knockanore. In the birth records for that time there is another birth, a son Edmund in March 9th. 1868 but I couldn't be sure if it was the same family as the mother's name is Margaret Brien.
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my previous reply got garbled so had to redo it... o I see, that's why you knew the Kelly story... well it looks like Mary Collender will have to be removed from the list of Ireland's oldest people.
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Well I had known her age since early 1980's but I wouldn't say it at the time because it was good enough achievement to reach 104. There's a longer story about the Kelly drowning but probably for another day. I only joined this site today when i accidentally came on your request about Mary Collender. When I get my thoughts together it might prove useful to fill in some blanks in my own family.
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Ahh so the plot thickens, the truth was known at the time the reports were published e.g this clip below and the one I've already posted. Well thanks for clearing it up anyway, 108 would have been a remarkable age for 1985...
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8082/8370386859_483cb1d470.jpg)
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I guess who ever done the research at the time found the earlier date and never followed through. Probably didn't expect that there could have been another Mary born.