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Title: John Henry (Henna) Bell
Post by: heilanlassie on Saturday 15 December 12 21:22 GMT (UK)
John Henry Bell was born about 1900 in Seaton Delavel, Northumberland.
He was an illegitimate son of Sarah (Sallie) Bell.
I understand that he was always known as Henna.

In the 1911 census he is living at 99 Foreman's Row, Seaton Delavel, Northumberland with his grandmother, Margaret Bell who was a widow, aged 75 years.

I have been told that John Henry (Henna) Bell died in a mining accident, and wondered how I could find out when, where and how he died.
Title: Re: John Henry (Henna) Bell
Post by: Radcliff on Saturday 15 December 12 22:23 GMT (UK)
Durham mining museum site has the  records for deaths ,what year do you suspect he died
Title: Re: John Henry (Henna) Bell
Post by: davidft on Saturday 15 December 12 22:27 GMT (UK)
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Title: Re: John Henry (Henna) Bell
Post by: heilanlassie on Sunday 16 December 12 12:19 GMT (UK)
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Oh dear - I wonder why this post was deleted  ???  ???  ???

Must have some information on it that I'm not supposed to know  :(
Title: Re: John Henry (Henna) Bell
Post by: davidft on Sunday 16 December 12 12:51 GMT (UK)
Hi

I deleted my previous message as it didn't add anything and might have been misleading. (Didn't realised John Henry Bell was such a common name)

However by way of something positive here is a link to the Durham Mining Museum website that Radcliff mentioned

http://www.dmm.org.uk/
Title: Re: John Henry (Henna) Bell
Post by: Michael Dixon on Sunday 16 December 12 19:47 GMT (UK)

 hl,

 Seeing what little info you have and the spread of the Bell surname. I think it will be difficult to find answers for your questions.....

 So John Henry Bell was 10 yr old and living at 99 Foreman's Row on the 1911 census. ( His mother and family were also at 99 Foreman's Row on the 1901 census)

 The shaft of Seaton Delaval Colliery was about 200 yards along a handy footpath from the east of Foreman's Row.

John Henry or Henna ( Many miners called Henry got nicknamed " Henna" or "Hennie") could have started down Seaton Delaval pit a few years after the taking of the 1911. And he could have been a pit fatality anytime from then up to anytime around, say, his 60th birthday ( circa 1960).

Or he could have moved away from the Seaton Delaval area anytime after 1911, and started down a pit a long way off or just nearby !

(The DMM website shows that more than 90 pits were within a 5 mile radius of Seaton Delaval pit)


 The DMM site shows 3 Bell fatalities in SD pit but none of them are compatable with his birthyear/age at death figures.

Additionally the registration of his death should be recorded on the FreeBMD site, but it could be registered as simply John Bell, rather than his full John Henry Bell !

Nor can I see a definitive registration of a marriage for him. ?

Do you have any further info on him ?

http://communities.northumberland.gov.uk/006756FS.htm

This link shows map including Foremans Row in the proximity of the SD pit yard.( Foremans Row was supposedly the longest single pit row in Northumberland )

 Michael
Title: Re: John Henry (Henna) Bell
Post by: heilanlassie on Sunday 16 December 12 23:00 GMT (UK)

 hl,

 Seeing what little info you have and the spread of the Bell surname. I think it will be difficult to find answers for your questions.....

 So John Henry Bell was 10 yr old and living at 99 Foreman's Row on the 1911 census. ( His mother and family were also at 99 Foreman's Row on the 1901 census)

 The shaft of Seaton Delaval Colliery was about 200 yards along a handy footpath from the east of Foreman's Row.

John Henry or Henna ( Many miners called Henry got nicknamed " Henna" or "Hennie") could have started down Seaton Delaval pit a few years after the taking of the 1911. And he could have been a pit fatality anytime from then up to anytime around, say, his 60th birthday ( circa 1960).

Or he could have moved away from the Seaton Delaval area anytime after 1911, and started down a pit a long way off or just nearby !

(The DMM website shows that more than 90 pits were within a 5 mile radius of Seaton Delaval pit)


 The DMM site shows 3 Bell fatalities in SD pit but none of them are compatable with his birthyear/age at death figures.

Additionally the registration of his death should be recorded on the FreeBMD site, but it could be registered as simply John Bell, rather than his full John Henry Bell !

Nor can I see a definitive registration of a marriage for him. ?

Do you have any further info on him ?

http://communities.northumberland.gov.uk/006756FS.htm

This link shows map including Foremans Row in the proximity of the SD pit yard.( Foremans Row was supposedly the longest single pit row in Northumberland )

 Michael

Thank you, Michael,

Carol.
Title: Re: John Henry (Henna) Bell
Post by: CaroleBell on Wednesday 19 December 12 22:52 GMT (UK)
Henna was my husband's uncle. GEORGE Harold R Bell was Henna's brother. Henna died in an accident at the Seaton elaval mine 1934/35 and is buried at the Seghill church. his brother Harold helped to carry him out of the mine.
Title: Re: John Henry (Henna) Bell
Post by: heilanlassie on Wednesday 19 December 12 23:49 GMT (UK)
Henna was my husband's uncle. GEORGE Harold R Bell was Henna's brother. Henna died in an accident at the Seaton elaval mine 1934/35 and is buried at the Seghill church. his brother Harold helped to carry him out of the mine.

Hi Carole,
Welcome to RootsChat.
I'm sure you'll find the people on here very helpful, and between us all, we'll find the answers.
Carol.
Title: Re: John Henry (Henna) Bell
Post by: Radcliff on Thursday 20 December 12 15:20 GMT (UK)
I  still can not find anything concerning your John Henna dieing at the pit,a trip up to Woodhorn ,might be more usefull,
Title: Re: John Henry (Henna) Bell
Post by: Radcliff on Thursday 20 December 12 15:38 GMT (UK)
I would have thought his death would have been registered Tynemouth district, :-X

Michael in Dundee ,can you answer that question please,
Title: Re: John Henry (Henna) Bell
Post by: Radcliff on Thursday 20 December 12 15:53 GMT (UK)
Wonder how old you were supposed to be to join up ww1

John Henry Bell
Next of Kin
Sarah Bell,mother
99 Foremans Row
Seaton
born 13th July 1900
enlisted Cramlington,3rd June 1915
yet birth states 1900?
aged 19 years and 1 month
Height 5 feet 8 inches
1st Northumbrian  BDE RFA
possibly discharged Jan 1916,
Gunner,2261/2258
Title: Re: John Henry (Henna) Bell
Post by: heilanlassie on Thursday 20 December 12 17:34 GMT (UK)
Wonder how old you were supposed to be to join up ww1

John Henry Bell
Next of Kin
Sarah Bell,mother
99 Foremans Row
Seaton
born 13th July 1900
enlisted Cramlington,3rd June 1915
yet birth states 1900?
aged 19 years and 1 month
Height 5 feet 8 inches
1st Northumbrian  BDE RFA
possibly discharged Jan 1916,
Gunner,2261/2258

That's an amazing piece of information. Where did you find it?
Title: Re: John Henry (Henna) Bell
Post by: Radcliff on Thursday 20 December 12 20:53 GMT (UK)
 :D
Did he have any other names
John H R T Bell
Death registered Tynemouth
March 1932
age approx 31
worth researching
He married in Tynemouth
March 1921
to Francis A Forster
and possibly had two children,
Nancy and Robert
1921 /1922

the other plain old John Bell
also Tynemouth district
1942
estimated birth 1900

another marriage to look at is
John H Bell and Florence T Towland
Tynemouth 1922
they have three children

Title: Re: John Henry (Henna) Bell
Post by: Radcliff on Thursday 20 December 12 21:16 GMT (UK)
Frances A Forster
1901 census living Cramlington
daughter of Edward and Ann Forster
born Seghill aged 4 months,
Title: Re: John Henry (Henna) Bell
Post by: Michael Dixon on Friday 21 December 12 12:42 GMT (UK)
Gillian,

 Michael has switched back to Newcastle.

 If this man died in a pit accident in Seaton Delaval, his death would have been registered within the main Registration District of Tynemouth ( whose office was situated at North Shields). Sub-districts of Tynemouth included Blyth which covered Seaton Delaval.
 On 1 Oct 1936 name of reg district was changed to Northumberland South ( but head office office still at North Shields) until 1 April 1974, when it became North Tyneside, part of Tyne & Wear.

To enlist in WW1 men had to be 18 yrs. But could not be posted abroad until 19 yrs.
However it is supposed that 250,000 under 19s fought abroad. 18000 "boys" died in the Battle of the Somme !

Michael
Title: Re: John Henry (Henna) Bell
Post by: Radcliff on Friday 21 December 12 20:16 GMT (UK)
Thank you Michael,
I thought I was correct in my assumption that if he died in Seaton ,his death would have been registered  Tynemouth,I just wanted you to clarify that for me as I do find the registration district changes difficult to keep in my head,
And glad to hear you are back in Northumberland for Christmas,
Gillian
Title: Re: John Henry (Henna) Bell
Post by: chevygem on Monday 15 April 13 22:09 BST (UK)
I have just come across these posts,,while searching the Bell family,,I read Harold helped to carry his brother out the mine..Harold bell was my Grandad,he was married to Violet...my mothers parents..who lived in western avenue, seaton delaval....
Title: Re: John Henry (Henna) Bell
Post by: CaroleBell on Wednesday 06 July 16 15:44 BST (UK)
Are you still looking for information on John Henry Bell? He was my husband's uncle. We can give you all information including a photograph of his grave stone in Seghill church yard. I also have some of the ancestors information also. Carolebell48@aol.com
Title: Re: John Henry (Henna) Bell
Post by: heilanlassie on Wednesday 06 July 16 18:46 BST (UK)
Are you still looking for information on John Henry Bell? He was my husband's uncle. We can give you all information including a photograph of his grave stone in Seghill church yard. I also have some of the ancestors information also. Carolebell48@aol.com

I'm sure my husband would like to see a photo of the gravestone.
John Henry Bell would have been my husband's 1st cousin, twice removed.
John Henry Bell's mother was Sarah (Sally) Bell, and her brother, Henry Bell, was my husband's great-grandfather.
Title: Re: John Henry (Henna) Bell
Post by: CaroleBell on Wednesday 06 July 16 19:04 BST (UK)
Which would make your husband's great grandfather my husbands great great uncle, I think. We have a photo of Henna's brother my husbands father, we are told they looked very much alike. My husband started his career at the same pit as Henna, and my husband's father worked and lost his leg in the same pit. E-mail me and I'll send you what I have. We have information on Henna's wife Nancy, and daughter. Nancy is buried with her father at Seghill.
carolebell48@aol.com
Title: Re: John Henry (Henna) Bell
Post by: heilanlassie on Wednesday 06 July 16 20:12 BST (UK)
Which would make your husband's great grandfather my husbands great great uncle, I think. We have a photo of Henna's brother my husbands father, we are told they looked very much alike. My husband started his career at the same pit as Henna, and my husband's father worked and lost his leg in the same pit. E-mail me and I'll send you what I have. We have information on Henna's wife Nancy, and daughter. Nancy is buried with her father at Seghill.
carolebell48@aol.com

We have been in touch with each other before, by email, my address is carolbythelake@gmail.com.
You shared lots of information with me, but not a photo of the gravestone.