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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: LostinEngland on Friday 14 December 12 09:20 GMT (UK)
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I am as sure as I can be that this is the correct entry for the marriage of John MEALEY and Margaret BEDFORD, April 22, 1806 St. Mary's Pro (catholic church). Their first child is born Margaret in 1808 and is baptised at St. Andrew's which is about a 3 minute walk from St. Mary's.
I have discovered that John MEALEY was a baker in Dublin city due to the occupation listed on his children's marriage certificates. I also know that his children went to Liverpool beginning in the 1840's and I do not believe (after much searching) that John MEALEY and his wife Margaret made the journey.
When researching, I did come across a newspaper entry which stated that John MEALEY was a witness in a dispute over the selling flour to a non-union member but this is the extent of information that I have been able to discover.
Is there a way to round out John MEALEY the baker's story or when he relocated to Dublin city?
All suggestions welcome and thank you for taking the time.
Cheers,
Renee :-\
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I would think 3 minutes would be more like sprinting than walking from St. Mary's to St. Andrew's !
....out John MEALEY the baker's story or when he relocated to Dublin city?
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Might be a little early for much detail, but I'll check for directory listings for John, if he ran his own bakery business he may be listed. Would give you a couple of addresses for him...
just wondering about the 'relocated' - did John and Margaret moved to Dublin from somewhere else in Ireland ?
Shane
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Hi Shane,
Thanks so much for your response. It is my assumption that his came from somewhere else...but you know what is said about people who assume.
Renee
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very true - general trend of people moving to cities, it's where they came from is the problem.
just three Mealy listings in Pettigrew & Oulton 1834 - just checking occupations for them at the moment...
S.
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1834 - three listings for Mealy :
James Mealy, furniture broker, 30 Liffey St. Lwr
Edmond Mealy, stucco plasterer & painter, 1 Pleasant St.
Mr. Mealy, Coach owner, Drumcondra Rd. (also at Prince's St.)
Plenty of bakers listed in Pigot's 1824, but no Mealys. The only Mealy in the index is the Edward/Edmond mentioned in the 1834 listing at Pleasant St.
I'll check the 1813 Treble almanac a little Later...
S.
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Well Shane, that is mighty interesting due to the fact that the Mealy's/Mealey's who relocated to Liverpool are all coach drivers. Maybe John the baker is dead by this time....
I look forward to your reply.
Cheers,
Renee
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dont know if you already have these but there are several possible younger siblings for Margaret jnr on IrishGenealogy - a Laurence Mealy baptism in 1811, and a Bridget Meally in 1816, both St. Andrew's (RC) - parents also 'John Mealy & Margaret' (no maiden name).
Might help with the timeline, and if there's another with an address it might help.
Had a quick look through the results didn't see any after Bridget..
S.
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Yes, thank you, I do have copies of those baptismal records. My husband and I made the journey to Dublin in Oct. 2011 in order to do some research. Although it wasn't as fruitful as we had hoped in the research department, we certainly had the best pints of Guinness in the pubs! :o
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just one Mealy in the Merchants and Traders listing in Wilson's directory (part of the Treble Almanac) of 1813 -
Anthony Mealy, 44 Francis St. - confectioner
S.
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Thank you again Shane for taking the time to look for my John MEALY, he is an elusive character, isn't he? Just so I have clarification, he would of been listed in one of these 3 directories if he was the owner of the bakery whereas if he was one of the employees he was unlikely to have an entry, correct?
cheers,
Renee
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Have a look at this publication by the Irish Labour History Society. It
gives a good bit of information on the different Bakers Guilds, Societies and Unions at the time. They also appear to have all the archive materials.
www.irishlabourhistorysociety.com/pdf/Saothar%203.pdf
They are still around and have a museum and archive at Beggars Bush. Perhaps they might have him in their records somewhere ?
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Brilliant! Thank you for the lead, I will post what I find.
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... he would of been listed in one of these 3 directories if he was the owner of the bakery whereas if he was one of the employees he was unlikely to have an entry, correct?
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almost correct - he may have been listed in directories if he ran or owned his own bakery business, but the earlier directories show far less detail, so some businesses, particularly smaller ones, are often not listed. If he was employed by someone else he almost certainly would not be listed.
The Wilson's directory doesn't have trade by trade, or street listings like later listings, and is a much smaller book than for example an 1840 Pettigrew and Oulton, or 1850 Thom's. Not all types of businesses were induced. I had a quick scan through for any bakers and did see at least a couple....
Shane
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another thought - checked for the usual variations of Mealy/Mealey in Wilson's 1813..
found a John O'Meally, tailor - 12 Sth. Cope St.
S.