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I am looking for Thomas who lived in the WAVERLEY area with his sister Marion WATSON for some years, in 1958 Thomas was living at 103 Karne Street, PUNCHBOWL with his niece Joan ARMOUR nee WATSON; supposedly living with the ARMOURs in PETERSHAM at the time of his death in March or May 1962, the ARMOURs still appear on electoral rolls at PUNCHBOWL to 1980 All areas are in Australia.
Thomas apparently worked for a brother in law Frank RICHARDSON at some time. I have his christening date on 15/06/1881 in St Anns Church, Newcastle upon Tyne but not his burial or marriage dates and venues. His parents are William Teasdsle Boyd & Isabella Boyd (nee Hedley)
Many Thanks
Mark Boyd
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William Hedley Boyd. b. 05/10/1870, bap. 06/11/1870 All Saints Church, Newcastle upon Tyne. d. 24/07/1954, bur 28/07/1954 Byker & Heaton Cemetery, Newcastle upon Tyne
John George Boyd. C. 1872 Newcastle upon Tyne
Isabella Hedley Boyd b. 1875. bap 21/12/1875 St Anns Church, Newcastle upon Tyne m = Wilson Richardson 26/12/1899 St Michaels Church, Byker, Newcastle upon Tyne d. 07/1945, bur 05/07/1945 Eastern Suburbs Cemetery, Waverley, Sydney, New South Wales Australia
Jane (Janet) Boyd b. 25/01/1879, bap 19/02/1879 St Anns Church, Newcastle upon Tyne m= Lawrence Mines 10/1910 Yorkshire, d. 09/1969 Eskbank, Clayton Road, Newcastle upon Tyne, bur 19/09/1969 Byker & Heaton Cemetery, Necastle upon Tyne
Eleanor Boyd b. 06/02/1885, Newcastle upon Tyne, bap 25/02/1885 St Anns Church, Newcastle upon Tyne, d. 16/06/1921 Banks of the River Tyne, Newcastle upon Tyne, bur 06/1921 Byker & Heaton Cemetery, Newcastle upon Tyne
Mary Boyd b. Oct qtr 1882, bap 22/11/1882 St Anns Church, Newcastle upon Tyne,
Nicholas Alfred Hedley Boyd, b.31/07/1886, bap, 01/09/1886 St Anns Church, Newcastle upon Tyne, m= Mary Annie Birkett 11/10/1919 St Anns Church, Newcastle upon Tyne d. 19/07/1944 5 Benton Terrace, Newcastle upon Tyne, bur. 22/07/1944 Byker & Heaton Cemetery, Newcastle upon Tyne
Marian (Marion) Boyd b. 1892, 01/05/1892 Newcastle upon Tyne, m= Joseph Watson 10/04/1917 St Silas Church, Byker, Newcastle upon Tyne d. Jan Qtr 1951 cremated. 30/01/1951 Eastern Suburbs Crematorium, Waverley, Sydney, New South Wales ,Australia
There are a couple of Children that I have all these details for however I know that they had 13 children in total but I am missing a few
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www.familysearch.org has Thomas Nicholas Boyd, baptised 15 June 1881 at St Anne's, Newcastle on Tyne
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I already have his baptism. I have got his information on another post as I am looking for his burial in Australia.
Thank you anyway
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Bodi
What help (if any) are you seeking with this family?
You say you are missing a few children but if you've already got Thomas Nicholas, whom Dazey found, it would appear you haven't posted a full list of the children you know of.
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I have the following children for the above parents
William Hedley Boyd b. 05/10/1870, bap 06/11/1870 St Anns Church Newcastle upon Tyne,Newcastle upon Tyne. d. 24/07/1954, bur 28/07/1954 Byker & Heaton Cemetery, Newcastle upon Tyne
John George Boyd. C. 1872 Newcastle upon Tyne
Elizabeth Ann Boyd b. 18/01/1874, bap 08/02/1874, m = Alexander Brotherton 02/01/1902 St Michaels Church, Byker, d. 05/06/1950 in Waverley, NSW, Australia and is cremated on 06/06/1950 in Waverley, NSW, Australia.
Isabella Hedley Boyd b. 1875. bap 21/12/1875 St Anns Church, Newcastle upon Tyne m = Wilson Richardson 26/12/1899 St Michaels Church, Byker, Newcastle upon Tyne d. 07/1945, bur 05/07/1945 Eastern Suburbs Cemetery, Waverley, Sydney, New South Wales Australia
Thomas Foster Hedley Boyd b. 24/11/1877 Newcastle upon Tyne, bap 19/12/1877 St Michaels Church, Byker. d, 21/12/1877 Newcastle upon Tyne . bur 24/12/1877 Alll Saints Cemetery, Newcastle upon Tyne
Jane (Janet) Boyd b. 25/01/1879, bap 19/02/1879 St Anns Church, Newcastle upon Tyne m= Lawrence Mines 10/1910 Yorkshire, d. 09/1969 Eskbank, Clayton Road, Newcastle upon Tyne, bur 19/09/1969 Byker & Heaton Cemetery, Necastle upon Tyne
Thomas Nicholas Boyd b. 25/05/1881 Newcastle upon Tyne. bap 15/06/1881 St Anns Church, Newcastle upon Tyne. d. 15/03/1962 in Auburn, NSW, Australia
Mary Boyd b. Oct qtr 1882, bap 22/11/1882 St Anns Church, Newcastle upon Tyne,
Eleanor Boyd b. 06/02/1885 Newcastle upon Tyne. bap. 25/02/1885 St Anns Church, Newcastle upon Tyne. d. 16/06/1921 River Tyne Newcastle upon Tyne. bur. 06/1921 Byker & Heaton Cemetery, Newcastle upon Tyne
Nicholas Alfred Hedley Boyd, b.31/07/1886, bap, 01/09/1886 St Anns Church, Newcastle upon Tyne, m= Mary Annie Birkett 11/10/1919 St Anns Church, Newcastle upon Tyne d. 19/07/1944 5 Benton Terrace, Newcastle upon Tyne, bur. 22/07/1944 Byker & Heaton Cemetery, Newcastle upon Tyne
Marian (Marion) Boyd b. 1892, 01/05/1892 Newcastle upon Tyne, m= Joseph Watson 10/04/1917 St Silas Church, Byker, Newcastle upon Tyne d. Jan Qtr 1951 cremated. 30/01/1951 Eastern Suburbs Crematorium, Waverley, Sydney, New South Wales ,Australia
I am looking for bmd dates & burials of any of the above and also the missing children.
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Hi
supposedly living with the ARMOURs in PETERSHAM at the time of his death in March or May 1962, the ARMOURs still appear on electoral rolls at PUNCHBOWL to 1980 All areas are in Australia.
If he died in Australia - you need to post on the Australian board for his burial details
What was his wife's name? There are lots of Thomas Boyd marriages in England on freebmd but none that show a middle name of Nicholas or is it Nichols as per the IGI baptismal entry
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J3TH-K9N
www.freebmd.org.uk
When did he emigrate to Australia?
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with his sister Marion WATSON
Having tracked the family from the 1871 census to the 1901 census - there was no daughter called Marion born to William and Isabella
However - there is a 1917 marriage in Newcastle between a Marion Boyd and a Watson. There is an 1891 and 1901 entry for a Marion Boyd b Amble Northumberland but parents were William & Marion
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Marian (Marion) Boyd b. 1892, 01/05/1892 Newcastle upon Tyne, m= Joseph Watson 10/04/1917 St Silas Church, Byker, Newcastle upon Tyne d. Jan Qtr 1951 cremated. 30/01/1951 Eastern Suburbs Crematorium, Waverley, Sydney, New South Wales ,Australia
I think she may have been Minnie on the 1901. Plus there's this :
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,627531.0.html
Pels.
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Here they are Carole, with Winnie (?) :
RG13/4793, Folio 34, Page 59
Birth, Jun qtr 1892
Marion Boyd
Newcastle T., Vol 10b, Page 186
Pels.
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Thanks Pels
So Minnie/Winnie = Marion
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Thanks Pels
So Minnie/Winnie = Marion
Possibly ..... and only by my reckoning !
Pels. ;D ;D
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Pels
The link you sent is for another post that i have also put on this forum. On this post I am specifically looking for Thomas Nicholas Boyd
To answer the other questions I am not sure when he emigrated to Australia and also I am not sure who his wife was.
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www.freebmd.org.uk is the website we use for BMD's in England and Wales and although there are lots of Thomas Boyd marriages in a likely timescale - none have a middle name or initial matching Nichols/Nicholas.
So - either he never married or he married in Australia or he dropped his middle name when he married.
Do Australian death certs give any info re: spouse?
Have you looked for an obit for him which may give some info
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I seem to be duplicating advice already given on another thread re: his death
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,627573.msg4755728.html#msg4755728
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There are 2 other threads running which overlap with this one and info has been posted
To avoid any further risk of duplication - I will ask the moderator to merge them with this thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=627530.msg4755771#msg4755771
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=627573.new;topicseen#new
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Northumberland topics merged but it does make it rather confusing. Bodi - if you can avoid duplicate requests it saves us getting in a muddle. Most people read all the threads so you will not miss out.
Andrea
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Re the post minnie/winnie
In 1901 the census show her as Winnie but by 1911 her name has changed to Marian.
Who is this Winnie? The baptism I have on 01/05/1892 shows she is baptised as Marian, her marriage is as Marian and her death is as Marian
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I can't find an obit for him as the Sydney Morning Herald only goes up to 1954 and he died in 1962. I don't have a death certificate for him as I would have to order one from Australia and it may take a while to get here.
I am not looking for his death date I am looking for his burial date
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Re the post minnie/winnie
In 1901 the census show her as Winnie but by 1911 her name has changed to Marian.
Who is this Winnie? The baptism I have on 01/05/1892 shows she is baptised as Marian, her marriage is as Marian and her death is as Marian
From what I've read Minnie could be used as a pet name for Marion - I think the name the enumerator wrote was quite likely to be Minnie :
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Hi Mark
Re: request for burial details.
As he did not die in Northumberland - we cannot help on this board
You have a request on the Australian board so I am sure if the info is available - somebody will help you
Re: possible marriage. As already explained in my earlier replies, you would need either an obit notice or copy of the death cert in the hope it mentions a wife's name.
If you are able to establish whether he had any children - you could check freebmd to see if any details match. Birth registrations from the September qtr 1911 include mother maiden name
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Re the post from Pels
Moderator Comment: Request for 1911 info removed. May we remind you that RootsChat's position is that no 1911 census look-up requests are allowed.
Assistance is limited to what may be found in the FREE indexes.
Please see here:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,355484.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,492718.0.html
Many Thanks
Mark
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Sorry - 1911 lookups are not allowed due to copyright issues
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,355486.0.html
What Pels is saying is that the 1901 entry shows a child called either Minnie or Winnie who is the age that Marian would be.
She has also said that Minnie can be a corruption of the name Marian. I researched for friend whose ancestor was Miriam and every census showed her as Minnie
Families didn't always stick to baptismal names on census entries.
Henry/Harold - often shown as Harry
Elizabeth - Lizzie/Betty/Betsy
John - Jack
And many more
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I have just returned from a visit to the local archives. I looked at the original transcript for the 1901 census online for winnie/minnie and I compared it to another transcript with a similar writing style and I am pretty convinced that it said Minnie which I then googled and found out that this was a pet name for Marian
Many Thanks
Mark
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I have just returned from a visit to the local archives. I looked at the original transcript for the 1901 census online for winnie/minnie and I compared it to another transcript with a similar writing style and I am pretty convinced that it said Minnie which I then googled and found out that this was a pet name for Marian
Many Thanks
Mark
Hi again Mark,
You must have missed my reply at #19 :
From what I've read Minnie could be used as a pet name for Marion - I think the name the enumerator wrote was quite likely to be Minnie :
(http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=627615.0;attach=299063;image)
Pels.
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I didn't miss your reply but until I saw it for myself and compared it to another sample of writing I still believed that it was Winnie
Many Thanks
Mark
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Thank you everybody for your help on this topic. I now have Thomas Nicholas's death certificate from Australia and I can now close the research on this person as the certificate states that he was never married.
Many Thanks
Mark
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Why has this topic been moved as the research is not completed on the everybody just on Thomas Nicholas & I haven't asked for ti to be moved to completed
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At a guess it was moved because :
Thank you everybody for your help on this topic. I now have Thomas Nicholas's death certificate from Australia and I can now close the research on this person as the certificate states that he was never married.
Many Thanks
Mark
Reading the above makes it sound very final as though it is completed - Andrea (Sillgen) the board moderator is already present on this thread - she merged the topics (see reply #16) therefore her thoughts must have been the same as mine.
Could you please specify which ones you still need assistance with - it's become rather muddled.
Pels.
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I am still looking for any details on the following: - i.e. births, marriages, deaths, burials, children (if any) etc
William Hedley Boyd. b. 05/10/1870, bap. 06/11/1870 All Saints Church, Newcastle upon Tyne. d. 24/07/1954, bur 28/07/1954 Byker & Heaton Cemetery, Newcastle upon Tyne
John George Boyd. C. 1872 Newcastle upon Tyne
Jane (Janet) Boyd b. 25/01/1879, bap 19/02/1879 St Anns Church, Newcastle upon Tyne m= Lawrence Mines 10/1910 Yorkshire, d. 09/1969 Eskbank, Clayton Road, Newcastle upon Tyne, bur 19/09/1969 Byker & Heaton Cemetery, Necastle upon Tyne
Mary Boyd b. Oct qtr 1882, bap 22/11/1882 St Anns Church, Newcastle upon Tyne.
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I am still looking for any details on the following: - i.e. births, marriages, deaths, burials, children (if any) etc
William Hedley Boyd. b. 05/10/1870, bap. 06/11/1870 All Saints Church, Newcastle upon Tyne. d. 24/07/1954, bur 28/07/1954 Byker & Heaton Cemetery, Newcastle upon Tyne
Hi again,
Unsure whether you have William's probate record :
William Hedley Boyd of 38 Bilsmoor Avenue, Newcastle Upon Tyne died 24th July 1954 at Royal Victoria Infirmary, Newcastle 1. Probate Newcastle Upon Tyne 1st September 1954 to Lloyds Bank Limited. Effects £952 3s. 1d.
Pels.
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I am still looking for any details on the following: - i.e. births, marriages, deaths, burials, children (if any) etc
John George Boyd. C. 1872 Newcastle upon Tyne
Marriage, Jun qtr 1898
John George Boyd
Elizabeth Ann Rowbotham
Newcastle T. Vol 10b, page 31
Pels.
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This could be a good match for John George in 1901 :
1901 census :
RG13/4789, Folio 36, Page 22.
Newcastle upon Tyne, Byker
19, Byker Street
John Boyd, h, mar, 28, Boiler Smith
Elizabeth, wife, 29
Isabella, dau, 2
William, son, 3 mths
All born in Newcastle upon Tyne
Pels.
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This could be a good match for John George in 1901 :
1901 census :
RG13/4789, Folio 36, Page 22.
Newcastle upon Tyne, Byker
19, Byker Street
John Boyd, h, mar, 28, Boiler Smith
Elizabeth, wife, 29
Isabella, dau, 2
William, son, 3 mths
All born in Newcastle upon Tyne
Pels.
The reason I say this :
Birth, Mar qtr 1901
William Hedley Boyd
Newcastle upon Tyne, Vol 10b, page 156
It's a good bet the above birth registration is the same child I posted the details for from 1901.
Pels.
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Here he is on the later census :
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XWMD-66N
Pels.
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Marriage, Jun qtr 1898
John George Boyd
Elizabeth Ann Rowbotham
Newcastle T. Vol 10b, page 31
With his sister, Isabella Rowbotham Boyd :
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XWMD-66F
Birth, Mar qtr 1899
Isabella Rowbotham Boyd
Newcastle T., Vol 10b, page 199
Pels.
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Thanks for this Pels
The william Hedley Boyd information is correct except the one in the census is the one for the below John George Boyd C. 1877, however the information that you have supplied is for John George Boyd C. 1872 is actually his cousin who was also called John George b. C. 1877 and had the parents of George & Ann.
I know this all looks confusing as the family had a habit of retaining names from previous generations
Many Thanks
Mark
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Thanks for this Pels
The william Hedley Boyd information is correct except the one in the census is the one for the below John George Boyd C. 1877, however the information that you have supplied is for John George Boyd C. 1872 is actually his cousin who was also called John George b. C. 1877 and had the parents of George & Ann.
I know this all looks confusing as the family had a habit of retaining names from previous generations
Many Thanks
Mark
Now I am puzzled. According to the census information, the one I've supplied information for was born c 1872, not 1877 ? Having checked - the John George Boyd, married to an Elizabeth and born in 1877, appears to have had a son called Richard ?
They were also living in Byker in 1901.
Pels.
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son called Richard ?
Looking at the return, Richard was some kind of in law.
1901 census :
RG13/4792, Folio 154, Page 37.
Northumberland, Byker
48, Chapel Street
John G Boyd, h, 24, Metal Dresser (?) b. Byker
Elizabeth, wife, 22, b. Heaton
Richard, ? in law, 8, b. Heaton
Pels.
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How do you attach files as I have got the two different family group sheets that I hope might sort out the confusion
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The aforementioned in law from 1901, might have read son-in-law ?
Marriage, Sep qtr 1898
Elizabeth Bell
John George Boyd
Newcastle On Tyne, Vol 10b, page 56
I believe Richard's surname from the 1901 was actually Bell.
Sorry just noticed your reply, will answer in a moment, Mark.
Pels.
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How do you attach files as I have got the two different family group sheets that I hope might sort out the confusion
If you send them by email, I'll have a look. :) :)
It's not easy to post anything on this board, it's for look up requests and people might contravene copyright.
Pels.
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Pels
I sent you a PM with the first John George Boyd
This was before I received your PM
Have now sent that e-mail to you
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To put it all together, how I see it :
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Birth, Mar qtr 1872
John George Boyd
Newcastle T. Vol 10b, page 130
or
Birth, Sep qtr 1872
John George Boyd
Newcastle T. Vol 10b, page 27
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1881 census :
RG11/5066, Folio 15, Page 22
John George Boyd, age 9 living with his parents William and Isabella.
Born : Newcastle
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1891 census :
RG12/4214, Folio 13, Page 22
John Boyd, age 19 living with his parents, William and Isabella.
Occupation : Boiler Smith Apprentice. Born : Newcastle Upon Tyne
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Marriage, Jun qtr 1898
John George Boyd
Elizabeth Ann Rowbotham
Newcastle T. Vol 10b, page 31
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1901 census :
RG13/4789, Folio 36, Page 22.
Newcastle upon Tyne, Byker
19, Byker Street
John Boyd, h, mar, 28, Boiler Smith
Elizabeth, wife, 29
Isabella, dau, 2
William, son, 3 mths
All born in Newcastle upon Tyne
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These we know are the births of their children :
Birth, Mar qtr 1899
Isabella Rowbotham Boyd
Newcastle T., Vol 10b, page 199
Birth, Mar qtr 1901
William Hedley Boyd
Newcastle upon Tyne, Vol 10b, page 156
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Pels.
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Thanks Pauline
All this time I had the wrong John George married to Elizabeth Ann Rowbotham. It makes sense now as his son William Hedley Boyd would have been named after his uncle
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Easy mistake to make, there were so many similarities, Mark ! :(
Mary Boyd b. Oct qtr 1882, bap 22/11/1882 St Anns Church, Newcastle upon Tyne.
Couldn't come up with anything at all for Mary apart from a couple of possibilities for marriages. Even then it was hard to tie in the information with the census.
But ... after all that I've found a tree on Ancestry.
Haven't a clue whether this is factual or not, but still might be worth your while to see it :
Marriage 1912
Mary Boyd, aged 30
Frank Richardson
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Death 20th April 1961
Mary Richardson, aged 78
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
To be taken with a pinch of salt unless anyone can prove otherwise.
Pels.
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Pels
This is also a daughter of William Teasdale. I was unaware that she went to Australia aswell. Her brother was Thomas Nicholas who at some point when he was living in Australia worked for his brother in law Frank Richardson and Thomas' sister Isabella Hedley Boyd b. c 1875 married Wilson Richardson.
I know this sounds cheeky. You also said you found a tree onLine. Who is the submitter of the tree and also who is on the tree ?
Many Thanks for this
Mark
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These are the two deceased children of Mary Boyd and Frank Richardson who are mentioned :
Peggy Richardson
1917 – 2006
Frank Richardson
1921 – 1941
There is also one more, name not disclosed.
Marriage 1912
Mary Boyd, aged 30
Frank Richardson
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Slightly more information :
Mary and Frank's marriage allegedly took place at Woollahra, New South Wales, Australia.
But having just checked - you will already know this, it makes fascinating reading.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,631935.0.html
:) :)
Pels.
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Pels
Who is the submitter of the family tree that has Mary Richardson on